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==Karibu kuongeza chako chini!==
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===Kumbukumbu ya Hifadhi ya Nyaraka===
'''Majadiliano ya awali yamehamishwa kwenye kurasa za Hifadhi ya Nyaraka:
*[[User:Kipala/Archive 1|Hifadhi ya Nyaraka 1: 2006/2007]]
*[[User:Kipala/Archive 2|Hifadhi ya Nyaraka 2: Novemba 2006 - Februari 2008]]
*[[User:Kipala/Archive 3|Hifadhi ya Nyaraka 3: Februari - Aprili 2008]]
*[[User:Kipala/Archive 4|Hifadhi ya Nyaraka 4: Mei - Julai 2008]]
*[[User:Kipala/Archive 5|Hifadhi ya Nyaraka 5: Julai - 15 Disemba 2008]]
*[[User:Kipala/Archive 6|Hifadhi ya Nyaraka 6: 15 Disemba 2008 - 20 Machi 2009]]
*[[User:Kipala/Archive 6|Hifadhi ya Nyaraka 7: hadi mwisho wa 2009]]
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== Picha, michoro, etc ==
Hi, with MuddyB's encouragement I have started a functional category tree for image files here, see [[:Jamii:Picha za Wikipedia]]. I know in the past we have not had much trouble with our small number of files, but there are quite a few by now and with new users the list is growing faster. There are about 200 uncategorized files now, down from 800+ a couple of weeks ago, but there are countless un-permissioned files. As you probably know, the legal disposition of picture file copyrights (along with biographies of living persons) is an important part of the Wikipedia management agenda. So, I am humbly asking that you join the effort and set an example by getting the permission and putting the category for new files. I have to go around and talk to new users about putting copyrights on files, and eventually we will definitely have to use a 7-day or 21-day deletion tag for unpermissioned pictures. Most all of these unpermissioned pictures have no potential problem with the copyright, of course, but it is true that as the Google project continues, the real Wiki world is catching up with us here, just like at en or de etc, alas, and I know you're probably not interested in having tagged pictures. In case you haven't talked to Muddy about it, we are still quite unsure as to when we will need to start tagging pictures, but it will be after we talk to new users about it at length; maybe by a few months from now we will have a very firm policy functioning. Cheers. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 14:43, 8 Januari 2010 (UTC)
:OK thats fine with me. In the past I have probably not always made sure that I filled out the form. I have worked quite a bit localising (kuswahilisha) graphics from other wikis relabeling them (inserting Swahili text in maps etc) or also worked with cuttings (like today the handshake - did I label it?? of Condi Rice because the standard handshakes on commons are just wazungu hands) from other wikis / or reworking the stars image which was a bit weak in the original from commons.
:Do you know a way to prevent uploads without putting a label? I would prefer that for my own weak memory and for others as well. We will contine to have very untrained newscomers from TZ / EAK backgrounds who may also disappear gain as long as access to the web is so difficult.
: I feel it also important to have our labeling in Swahili. Yaani tunaweza kutumia picha zote kutoka pande zote za wikipedia; naona tutumie faida ya copyrights zote kama ni US au Ufaransa nakadhalika. Tuko wachache mno ili tucopy masharti mareeeefu ya kisheria kutoka penginepo. Tuelewane: Kama picha iko mahal basi tutumie, na tuweke labels safi. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 19:31, 8 Januari 2010 (UTC)
::Hi, please don't worry about any problems with current pictures ... I was writing to give you a heads up on the pichas and to get some support, and to let you know that we definitely have some file categories now. ... I myself have time to start putting extant permissions forms on most pictures, just to square them away irregardless of whether the message template is properly translated yet - I'll leave that set of translations and implementations to you and the others. In looking at [http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maalum:Michango&limit=500&contribs=user&target=Kipala&namespace=6 your picha contributions] I will be able to get most of it done, I'll let you know if I can't figure it out. The collection of images that has accrued since the beginning of sw is manageable, but it doesn't make sense to continue with just uploading them and using them, (as I myself have done) because there's 10s of new uploads / day. MuddyB said that he would do something about picha upload infomation, but it's too busy for now. The sooner this is done the sooner I can get back to writing sets of stubs (cercles of Mali, states of India, cities of Finland, ...). ... As far as preventing uploads w/o labels, I think in practice this is done by tagging them ''after'' they have been improperly uploaded. I wouldn't worry about any pictures ''currently'' on sw.wikipedia, but there would come a statistical point (involving influx vs manual sorting capacity) after which unlabeled uploads would simply be tagged and then would be lost by attrition - effectively preventing uploads without sufficient labels in a retroactive manner, like on the other wikipediai. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 01:35, 9 Januari 2010 (UTC)
:::+ We are relatively low profile, page-visit-wise, so the disposition of permissions tranferred from other Wikipedia does not seem to require detailed examination at this time; and, the actual exposure of material here as compared other Wikipedias (which are in the top 5 of respective national Alexa ratings) is not of great moment, but copyright management is a prime concern nonetheless, thus MuddyB has asked me to spend time with it. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 01:54, 9 Januari 2010 (UTC)
::::+ ! Hi, are you here now? I created a list on my Automated WikiBrowser, easier than I thought, of User contributions:Kipala, filter for pichas, count=432; in the case of your pictures I am guessing that the set of files lacks problems, so I may as well just label each one with the simple GFDL license and then continue with the same 432 and further differentiate principally with labels 'English Wikipedia GFDL w/disclaimers' (for simple uploads of en images; label phrase 'with disclaimers' helps include extant minor variations in the original's GNU labeling back on en), 'Own work all rights released (Public domain)' and 'Own work copyleft attribution required' (for modified and translated images). Let me know what you think, I should be available here now that holidays are over. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 03:51, 9 Januari 2010 (UTC)
:::::Re: Msaada: Again I am impressed. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 14:31, 11 Januari 2010 (UTC)
== Asante sana kwa moyo. ==
Bw. Kipala, nimesoma mchango wako katika makala yangu ya 'Ruiru' na ninakushukuru sana kwa moyo ulionipa. Ninazidi kutia bidii na ninaamini Mungu yu nami.
Wako, Samson Maosa
== Kisii, Kenya ==
Bw. Kipala, kulingana na majadiliano kuhusu makala ya [[Kisii, Kenya]], nimevirekebisha vigezo vilivyokuwa na makosa. Pia nimeunda ukrasa mpya [[Kisii (Kenya)]] kulingana na mtindo wa Kiswahili na kuuelekeza kwa makala haya. Isitoshe, nimejaribu kukikuza kipengele cha '''virejeleo'''. Unaonaje?
Mwanafunzi [[Mtumiaji:Coolsam726|Samson Maosa]].
== Usafishaji baada ya shindano ==
Salaam, mzee wangu. Namshukuru Mungu kwamba shindano limemalizika. Sasa naona tuanze kazi ya kusafisha ... Nimeanza kutafuta makala zilizoanzishwa, hasa Novemba, bila kuandikwa - angalia [[Wikipedia:Makala_kwa_ufutaji]]. Pia, nimeanza kutumia vigezo vya '''<nowiki>{{mergeto}}</nowiki>''' na '''<nowiki>{{mergefrom}}</nowiki>''', k.m. katika [[Thika Wilaya]] au [[Mlima Kenya]]. Haya, tusonge mbele. Wasalaam, --'''[[Mtumiaji:Baba Tabita|Baba Tabita]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Baba Tabita|majadiliano]])''' 03:58, 30 Januari 2010 (UTC)
== Tahajia ==
Thanks, I was puzzled by that word "uneo"; I copied the sentence from another article. All fixed now, thanks again. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 08:56, 29 Machi 2010 (UTC)
== gov.tz ==
Yes, thanks for the note, the profiles look ok, I had tried to work with the other profiles (right hand column) at that gov.tz page but the links came back "Reported Attack Site" on my Mozilla Firefox. There doesn't seem to be any problem with the new links. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 06:34, 31 Machi 2010 (UTC)
:Why don't we have infoboxes for Regions of Tanzania, like for [[Jimbo la Adrar]] (which was created by MuddyB?) I am certainly ready to implement these. And then could contiue with Kenya and USA. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 03:46, 2 Aprili 2010 (UTC)
== Advice ==
Hi, should it be [[:Jamii:Ghuba ya San Fransisko]] or [[:Jamii:Ghuba la San Fransisko]]? --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 16:56, 11 Aprili 2010 (UTC)
:Hi, I would go for "Hori ya San Francisco" - ghuba (ya) is a bit larger ("gulf"). Cf [[San_Francisco]] where we have, however, "hori la" ( I have not been consistent with this word - it is one of the words where we have both forms, I think! See " [[Hori ya Chesapeake]]" where I unfortunately mixed both . . ); As for the City I`d also rather go for the local spelling with geographical names in general, except for places where we have a real Swahili form (Uingereza, Ufaransa...) --'''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 18:20, 11 Aprili 2010 (UTC)
::So, for instance, it may be a good idea to go to Jamii:British Kolumbia and change every instance of "Kolumbia" to "Columbia" using AWB? --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 11:33, 13 Aprili 2010 (UTC)
:::Not my talks, but I might intercept the talking. If you need to change the word Kolumbia to Columbia, then consider to change also Mexiko to Mexico! Cheers.--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 12:42, 13 Aprili 2010 (UTC)
::::Karibu Muddy! I am not sure about this but I would stick with Kolumia for the country name. When I started the country entries which I mostly did, I did a lot of research. Some of the "official" sites give lists of names for most countries - which differ, however: between [[TUKI]], [[BAKITA]] and other lists (like: [[Kamusi Hai]]) are differences. Generally all these lists try to "swahilize" names - omitting "C" for example. I found that some of these name forms looked very artificial and google showed that they are hardly used ("Ginikweta" e.g.). So I confess that I sometimes used my own judgement which form to use (and sometimes to go for a form none of the other lists had).
::::I always did several redirects from all other forms known to me, for example I did "Ekwetorio Gini", "Ginekweta" redirecting to "Guinea ya Ikweta"; au: "Ginebisau", "Guiné-Bissau" redirecting to "Guinea Bisau".
:::: Soon I encountered the next problem when started on the capital cities. There is just no "official" list for these - With the articles about cities we are ahead of Tuki and the other institutions. That is where i decided to stick usually to local forms. Obviously there is the question what to do when the locals say "Maskva", write in Cyrillic script "Moskva" and probably most most Africans use English "Moscow"! Should I write it "Moskau" (like in German) or "Mosko" ? In this case I went for Moscow (because most Waswahili dont know cyrillic); with languages written in Latin script I rather took the local form (like French, Spanish) and did not try to write the English pronounciation of a French word: so I write "Paris", and not "Peris" (englisch pronounciation) nor "Pari" (french pronounciation); I write Bordeaux (not "Bordo").
:::: My advice:
::::*Country names; Swahili names if there is a real one (Ujerumani, Marekani); else according to some "Swahilized" form - but with all possible redirects so that people who look for the country will get it.
::::*Provinces / Majimbo only go for translationin cases where we have an actual use of it (I found somewhere "Saksonia" for Sachsen ( English: Saxony)), otherwise stay with the local name.
::::* cities: Always the local name UNLESS the few cities which may have real Swahili name.
::::I am not a big fan to write English pronounciation in Swahili form, because English have big problems pronouncing foreign words, and I also think of the Swahli speakers in Francophone Africa (Kongo!!) who hopefully start to use internet and we maybe exclude them by going for English-Swahili spelling. What do you think? --'''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 15:55, 13 Aprili 2010 (UTC)
== New York miji, New York kata ==
Hi, thanks, I am aware of some difference between mji and kata from working w/Mwanaharakati on some Tanzania articles. I am not sure what to do. In my recent work on the cities, towns, townships and boroughs of New Jersey, the different forms of government in the state are explained quite clearly in lists and articles linked from "Traditional forms" in this template: [[:en:Template:NJmunigov]]. ... In checking some of the Nassau County Census Designated Places (CDPs), I find that [[Garden City Park]] has "municipal" volunteer fire department and water district websites, yet is a non-legal unincorporated municipal entity. At the same time, some CDPs are incorporated with their own municipal websites and municipal services ([[North New Hyde Park]])[http://www.vnhp.org/]. In the interests of the Wikipedia I will have to go through and check each Nassau County CDP on the English Wikipedia to see whether it says if it is incorporated. It seems tedious and not very simple or scientific. I will try to find some kind of list in en:Wikipedia about the various forms of government of the settlements of Nassau, similar to that at New Jersey. (for instance [[:en:Township (New Jersey)]] and [[:en:Category:Townships in New Jersey]]) ... Is there some other way of doing this that doesn't require all this research? --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 13:59, 26 Aprili 2010 (UTC)
:I have continued the discussion back at my user talk page. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 14:31, 26 Aprili 2010 (UTC)
== Block of bot LaaknorBot ==
I see that you've blocked my bot [[User:LaaknorBot|LaaknorBot]], and if I understand your reason correctly, it has blanked pages, but I can't see that it has blanked any pages based on it's contributions. Have you done this in error? (please respond to my [[:no:User talk:Laaknor|norwegian usertalk]] as I'm not checking this wiki activly. '''[[Mtumiaji:Laaknor|Laaknor]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Laaknor|majadiliano]])''' 10:59, 23 Mei 2010 (UTC)
:Nimechunguza michango yake na hakuna kuondosha kitu. Naona amezuiliwa kwa kosa. Nimeondoa kizuizi chake. Wasalaam, --'''[[Mtumiaji:Baba Tabita|Baba Tabita]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Baba Tabita|majadiliano]])''' 18:16, 23 Mei 2010 (UTC)
== Kigezo:India ==
Imefanyika. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 14:20, 29 Mei 2010 (UTC)
== Hongera ya makala 18,000 ==
Salam, {{BASEPAGENAME}}! Hongera ya makala 18,000! Kumbe tumefika - japokuwa kuna mengi ya kusahihisha na kufuta pia. Lakini si mbaya tukipongezana! Tuendeleeni jamani.--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 09:08, 31 Mei 2010 (UTC)
:Kweli. Kuna magunia mengi hayana mzigo wa kutosha na hata sioni wa kuongezea japo debe moja la mahindi! Lakini pia afadhali kwa sababu hayakuwa mchanganyiko wa maharagwe, mahindi, na mchele ndani ya gunia moja - tehethethe...--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 12:44, 31 Mei 2010 (UTC)
== Errors in [[Template:Alfabeti ya Kigiriki kamili]] ==
Please enable me editing [[Template:Alfabeti ya Kigiriki kamili]] - I need to fix following errors:
*Adjust spellings of archaic letters according to http://unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt , should be [[Digamma]], [[Stigma]], [[Heta]], [[San]], [[Sho]], [[Koppa]], [[Disigma]] - more preferable here
*Fix bad wikilinks like [[Delta]] which is about river but not letter and [[Digamma]]/[[Disigma]] which even if is not original name like [[Wau]]/[[Sampi]], at least is uniformly modern
*Add variant displaying code from [[et:Template:Kreeka tähestik]] to enable variant letter display like [[et:Alfa]]-[[et:Disigma]] - different letter in each article
I already added references to [[Alfabeti_ya_Kigiriki#Viungo_vya_Nje]], they support my proposals. For example analogous [[gv:Abbyrlhit_Greagagh#Lettyryn_ass_ymmyd]] changes were already accepted. '''[[Mtumiaji:SMITHECAV|SMITHECAV]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:SMITHECAV|majadiliano]])''' 17:13, 4 Juni 2010 (UTC)
:Dear visitor, if I understand correctly you don`t understand Kiswahili. It would have been a) nice and b) helpful if you followed nettiquette and first made a proposal on the discussion page and waited for reactions. I am not convinced about your proposal concerning digamma (wau?). You have not brought any quotable source. I do not see why you should start changing with sw. if you like to have a crusade against digamma in wikipedias across the globe - better start with English, German French - the big ones. We do not know you nor your qualities and cannot check on these. I am going to return this to digamma and lock the relevant articles. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 18:00, 4 Juni 2010 (UTC)
::We can stick to digamma/disigma unification instead, as Greeks do, see [[el:Ελληνικό_αλφάβητο#Απαρχαιωμένα σημεία]]. Quotable sources are already added to [[Alfabeti_ya_Kigiriki#Viungo_vya_Nje]], so read them - both wau/sampi & digamma/disigma are mentioned. I didn't edited Greek wiki at all, so it is trustable. I have approach of unifying to archaic wau/sampi and when not approved, I switch to modern digamma/disigma alternative unification. Please give me chance to edit [[Template:Alfabeti ya Kigiriki kamili]], as you wished I inverted unification goal here, thanks.'''[[Mtumiaji:SMITHECAV|SMITHECAV]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:SMITHECAV|majadiliano]])''' 18:30, 4 Juni 2010 (UTC)
:::Nimeirudisha. '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala|majadiliano]])''' 18:31, 4 Juni 2010 (UTC)
==Explanations==
All is repaired and explained according to [[en:WP:VER]] at [[Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Muddyb_Blast_Producer#Redirect]], please be helpful for this good faith contributor. Thanks very much. [[Maalum:Michango/89.238.153.10|89.238.153.10]] 09:14, 5 Juni 2010 (UTC)
I repaired missing errors of this blocked new reguser that thou forgot to repair:
http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maalum:Michango/89.238.169.137
so [[Delta (herufi)]] is reinstated everywhere as thou want.
I turned again [[Delta_(mto)]] into redirect to [[Delta]] as thou wants - otherwise we have redundant identical articles.
Can thou similarly turn obsoleted [[Template:Alfabeti_ya_kigiriki_kamili]] (this one without references in footer) into redirect to currently approved [[Kigezo:Alfabeti_ya_Kigiriki_kamili]] - this is only thing which I cannot repair because of locking - otherwise we have redundant templates and interwiki robots will get stumbled, resulting in double interwikization of Kiswahili template. Please note that all letters and articles already use new [[Kigezo:Alfabeti_ya_Kigiriki_kamili]]. I mean pasting into obsolete [[Template:Alfabeti_ya_kigiriki_kamili]] following text:
<nowiki>#REDIRECT[[Kigezo:Alfabeti_ya_Kigiriki_kamili]].</nowiki>
This will fix the problem. Otherwise interwiki robots will generate dual Kiswahili interwikis. [[Maalum:Michango/89.238.170.134|89.238.170.134]] 11:11, 5 Juni 2010 (UTC)
Other admin already fixed this. For now, whole Greek alphabet article family looks perfectly OK, case closed. [[Maalum:Michango/89.238.170.134|89.238.170.134]] 14:09, 5 Juni 2010 (UTC)
== Jimbo Wales' Wikimania questionnaire ==
Hi, I received a message from Jimbo Wales' office, asking if I would like to participate in a questionnaire. As I am not so proficient in Kiswahili, I wonder if you would be interested? /// Hi, mimi nilipokea ujumbe kutoka kwa ofisi ya jimbo Wales ', kuuliza kama napenda kushiriki katika maswali ya. Kama mimi si hivyo magari katika Kiswahili, mimi ajabu kama ingekuwa nia? Kama wewe ni, nami nitawapa ujumbe kwamba una nia. /// Please see: [[:User talk:Mr Accountable#Hello!]] --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 18:27, 1 Julai 2010 (UTC)
== Msaada wa tasfiri ==
Salam mzee Kipala. Kumradhi ndugu, unaweza kutoa maoni kwenye ukurusa wa jumuia? Tafadhali tembelea:
[[Wikipedia:Jumuia#Tafsiri_ya_.22Wikipedia_Usability_Initiative.22_kwa_Kiswahili]]
Kila la kheri.--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 13:46, 3 Julai 2010 (UTC)
==Questionnaire==
Nadhani labda wewe umepata pia maswali yale ya Rachel - hapa majibu yangu: [[Mtumiaji:Kipala/questionnaire]] - '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala|majadiliano]])''' 19:07, 30 Juni 2010 (UTC)
:Asante, nimesoma majibu yako na nakubali kabisa. Hawa wanavyuo wametafsiri vibaya sana na wametupatia kazi kubwa ya kusafisha makala. '''[[Mtumiaji:ChriKo|ChriKo]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:ChriKo|majadiliano]])''' 00:00, 5 Julai 2010 (UTC)
::Mimi pia nakubali yote mliyoyaandika! Tusikate tamaa kuhusu usafishaji wa kurasa hizo za Kigoogle! Ingawa shauri la Muddy ni zuri pia: tusizipotezee muda mrefu mno. Tuna mengine mengi ya kuandikwa upya! --'''[[Mtumiaji:Riccardo Riccioni|Riccardo Riccioni]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Riccardo Riccioni|majadiliano]])''' 06:25, 11 Julai 2010 (UTC)
== Goa ==
Yes, thanks, I have time for that. I will set AWB to make the list for "search 'jimbo za'" and I will correct each instance that I find. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 04:16, 19 Julai 2010 (UTC)
:I corrected 67 instances of "jimbo za", principally in categories states of Brazil and states of India. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 11:16, 21 Julai 2010 (UTC)
::Safi sana, it is fun to work with you! --'''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 17:13, 22 Julai 2010 (UTC)
:::LOL Thanks very much. You know, Jamii:Mkoa/Majimbo ya Brazil, Uswisi, Japan, China, and many others; and Jamii: Miji ya Ufaransa, Miji ya Marekani na Miji ya Kanada etc (>1000 articles) at this time, are mostly made by me and mostly all the same. If there is a change, or addition, that needs to be made to these articles, it really does only take a short time. I have other stuff to do this month, or I would have fixed "jimbo za" very quickly. ... Let me know. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 07:10, 24 Julai 2010 (UTC)
== Shindano la Google ==
Salam mzee Kipala. Nimependa ujumbe wako uliouacha kwenye ukurasa wa majadiliano wa yule mtumiaji CG2010. Ujumbe huo ulikuwa:
{{quote|This left a number of articles which could not be reviewed yet as there was a large (by our standards) number of absolutely new contributors who were attracted by google-prizes 8a few laptops). Nearly all of them are gone now and left a lot of articles which often are not really state of the art formally and also linguistically.|[[user:Kipala|Kipala]]}}
Basi nime-ya-kopi hayo maandishi na kuyatumia kwenye blogu yangu:
http://muddybtz.blog.com/2010/07/16/what-happened-on-the-google-challenge-the-swahili-wikipedia/
Ahsante sana!--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 06:52, 19 Julai 2010 (UTC)
== [[Majadiliano ya kigezo:Infobox Settlement]] ==
hi Kipala. i try to bring this template into a usable form, in particular getting a consitent en and sw format and eliminating errors with seals etc. even tough most users (now and to be expected in the future) will just copy the entire tempalte 1:1 from en, i want to allow for a temlate to use en and sw parameter, the titles (on the left side) always coming out in sw. So i want to differentiate between parameter "labels" and the actual explanantion (the "text" which comes out in articles). Also, because sw is not a 3mio wiki, i have eliminated a lot of options - those which are pointless in sw or look funny. please have a look and see where you would like different expressions. Best! '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 17:03, 19 Julai 2010 (UTC)
:'''Sorry, absentminded, forgot I already wrote about this'''Hi, CGN, I like the new Infobox Bendera and Seal input lines very much; there are very many bendera and nembo at city articles, where I have simply put the bendera or nembo in the text of the article. I will put all those in the infobox, but there is some problem with the bendera and seal lines; 1=if there is no information in "seal", then the bendera does not display, and 2=the seal does not seem to display at all. I know this is not the highest priority, but when that is ready to go, I will get busy on putting flags and seals into the infobox. Thanks again. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 07:14, 24 Julai 2010 (UTC)
::OK I tested a bit on the [[Bad Urach]] entry. It works ok. It is not very easy to use, you have to get used to it. Probably nothing for newcomers. Especially because obviously en-wiki is using a special template for German Cities (and other countries too?), so we have to pick and resort the data you want to use. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 10:20, 24 Julai 2010 (UTC)
:: i dont get easyly through the settlement template eigther, but i will work it. for now, the sq miles are out of all the articles, and the template is becoming less complicated bit by bit. - Kipala, i have just started to bring the TZ mikoa into a more informative standard: including flag, government and website (for the infobox) and a template for the wilaya > based on the former table in [[Mkoa wa Tanga]]. For Arusha i noticed there is a discrapency to the map and you started working on the [[Wilaya ya Longido]]. if you know more what is correct, please let me know or correct whatever needs to be on [[:Kigezo:Wilaya za Mkoa wa Arusha]]. My intention was to always have a "comment line", that way the boxes look more uniform. and they can go into several articles and so updates within them only need to be done once... (each) Greetings '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 17:56, 25 Julai 2010 (UTC)
== [[Lango:Ulaya]] ==
Hallo Kipala, es gibt jetzt ein Portal für Europa - ich wollt all die "country data" Vorlagen in einer Übersicht und da hat sich das so ergeben. Weil von "öffentlicher" Seite viele Artikel zu Flüssen entstanden sind (siehe GB Kategorien) habe ich vorerst ein Flußbild reingesetzt. und natürlich Köln als ausgewählten Artikel. Für die ausgewählte Persönlichkeit wußte ich nicht und dachte Du weisst einen guten Artikel, den man da rein setzten kann...? Sag nur und ich machs oder einfach selber auf roten link drücken und [[Lango:Ulaya/Makala iliyochaguliwa/1]] als Kopiervorlage benutzen. Schön wären auch noch ein zwei Sätze in der Einleitung.... Beste Grüße, '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 15:13, 7 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
:::Ich bin nicht sicher, was ich da machen muss - habe [[Karolo Mkuu]] für den Zweck bisschen angepasst, mach du bitte den Rest. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 22:18, 7 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
::PS: dito [[Lango:Afrika]] (bzgl. passende Biographie (+Artikel!...?) '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 17:26, 7 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
{{done}} - danke '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 00:20, 8 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
:: Hallo Kipala, hoff' meine expansiven Änderungen sind alle im allg. Einvernehmen.... Hab auch wieder ein paar Fragen: 1) Für eine reihe von Ländern (China, Irland, ...) gibt es oft noch keine endgültige Entscheidung für eine Schreibweise, was auch Konsequenzen für ein paar Vigezo hat. Wie sieht das aus, das endgültig zu entscheiden, evtl. auch unter berücksichtigung der empfehlung von irgendwelchen offiziellen Stellen (Sprachrat etc)? (ich guck auch immer in [http://www.geonames.de/ geonames], wobei das oft nicht hilft.) 2) Seitdem "[[Eneo]]" (=Fläche) auf infobox:settlement verlinkt wurde, ist es sicherlich der am häufigsten vermisste Link. Wenn Du so einen Artikel anlegst/[[:de:Flächeninhalt|übersetzt]]), würd ich auch eine Liste zu den Größenordnungen anlegen/[[:de:Größenordnung (Fläche)|übersetzten]]. Wie soll ich dann so eine (Liste) benennen? (siehe auch [[:en:Orders of magnitude (area)]] und [[:en:Template:Area]]). 3) Ein Artikel Fläche würde auch dem neuen [http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lango:Hisabati Lango:Hisabati] gutun, wobei sowohl [[Lango:Hisabati/Intro]] und [[Lango:Hisabati/Aina za Hisabati]] eine Erweiterung brauchen (wenn du zeit hast). Hier links aus simple für [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics Mathematik] und [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mathematics_topics M.-Felder]. Gruß, '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 19:16, 13 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
:::Hoi CGN, soweit ich es im Detail sehe, machst du eine gute und wichtige Arbeit. Die Länderschreibweise würde ich für China auf "China" festlegen und für Irland offenlassen. Unsere policy bisher war es, für unklare Ländernamen mit Parallelformen zu arbeiten. Bei den templates kann man anfangs auch noch mit verschiedenen Formen fummeln, aber ab gewisser Komplexität wird das schwierig. Dann bekommen wir halt unterentwickelte Länder auch hier.
:::An eneo gehe ich jetzt nicht ran, bin noch im Urlaub und weitab meiner Fachlexika.
:::Die Flächen von Ländern sind ja sonst auf eine Liste a la en:List_of_countries_and_outlying_territories_by_total_area verlinkt. Das haben wir in unserem template nicht vorgesehen, das nur auf "eneo" = Fläche linkt. Als ich die meisten Länderartikel und die ersten Länderlisten machte, habe ich mir eine solche Entwicklun wie jetzt nicht vorstellen können und kräftig Komlexität reduziert. Hältst du denn für sinnvoll (und hättest Zeit zu investieren): Umschrieb der Länder - vigezo / jetziger link "eneo" UND dann Erstellung der entsprechenden Liste ? Ich kann helfen, sehr viel Zeit habe ich derzeit nicht, bin aber demnächst wieder zuhause und kann dann mal hin und wieder ein Stündchen zwischenschieben. '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 21:58, 13 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
Hallo. das mit dem unterentwickelt hab ich nicht verstanden. / du sagtest ja mal, dass sw eine große variität im ausdruck hat - was ja auch gesund ist für eine sprache. wir würden uns aber auch eine menge arbeit sparen und neuen nutzern mehr klarheit bereiten, wenn alles immer und überall eindeutig ist. das geht hin bis zum namen der nationalen fussballteams o.ä.
Die Länder-box hat für alle flächen links nach 1+E+irgendwas (import aus en). und [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Orders_of_magnitude_(area)&hidelinks=1 all diese zahlen] verlinkten dann auf oben erwähnte liste (können bei uns so an die 500 links sein). für das erstellen der liste wäre das meiste einfach nur kopieren, ein paar länder umgeschreiben und formatvorlagen umändern - halb so wild. ohne einen halbwegs ordentlichen artikel "Fläche" find ich so eine liste aber lächerlich. können wir ja dann in ein paar wochen angehen.
was anderes war noch eine "Kategorie:Abkürzung(en)" - auch um all die weiterleitungen zu sammeln. ([http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Abk%C3%BCrzung auf de mit rund 30.000 Seiten]) wie würde soeine Kategorie auf sw heißen? '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 22:25, 13 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
:Es ist gut, sich daran zu erinnern, wo du bist aus! Es ist nicht nötig, um jedes Mal durch andere Sprachen zu kommunizieren, während Sie Ihrer eigenen Sprache haben. Viel Glück für Sie beide! Cheers.--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 05:45, 14 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
::: - :-) Hey Muddyb, Willkommen im Deutschen Chat! ... Kipala: kannst du dir mal bei gelegenheit [[Majadiliano ya kigezo:Kalenda za Dunia]] ansehen. ich hab so meine zweifel an der Übersetzung des indischen und armenischen Kalenders. ich sah du hast den islam. Kalender angelegt, so vielleicht kennst du dich ein wenig aus. gruß '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 12:28, 16 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
== AWB ==
Hi, I don't think we have any way to govern use of AWB here at sw. I got approved for AWB at en and I was able to use AWB here at sw immediately. Is that because I'm an sw:administrator? I don't know. I do know that for all projects (languages), each language has individual approval protocol for AWB use. If we have the ability to approve/deny AWB use, we should simply approve CGN2010, who has decided to use AWB. ... If we don't have AWB protocol, we should probably get it, I'm sure the people at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser AWB] would appreciate it if we did. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 14:32, 17 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
::Would you mind just to explain in simple words what AWB is doing, what is different from now and an example how you are using it. And maybe 2 arguments of people who do not lie it. '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 14:50, 17 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, actually, maybe we don't need to change anything. Maybe we already have a way to govern the use of AWB here at SW. I've asked for some information from an AWB person at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rodhullandemu#AWB_-_approval_protocol_at_other_projects_.28sw.29 en:AWB]. I'll keep you posted. --'''[[Mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|Mr Accountable]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Mr Accountable|majadiliano]])''' 15:33, 17 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
== re:[[Rais wa Marekani]] na utafsiri wa google ==
Sorry about that. I actually was "moving" the article from "[[Marais wa Amerika]]" which seemed to be mislabeled. I didn't create the article and if you want to delete it go ahead. Yes, it would be nice if someone marked or deleted articles that are mumbo-jumbo so people don't bother trying to fix them. --'''[[Mtumiaji:MarsRover|MarsRover]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:MarsRover|majadiliano]])''' 14:48, 18 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
:: hello, if there is a template in [[:en:Category:Cleanup_templates]] that might fit our need i can import it and we can label such articles. '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 19:12, 18 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
::::I did <nowiki>{{lugha}}</nowiki> for this purpose. I am not sure if we need more and more detailed templates. Probably it would help if someone has the time to collect and categorize the templates we have already, because in he beginning I never cared about categories. '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 19:44, 18 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
yes i realised it too after i just created another template. i have started to categorise them today and can do a category for maintanance/housekeeing/repair or something like that - if you give me a name. also the category name should be in the schemes "jamii: Vigezo vya/kwa/ya maintanance" for simplicity (see [[:Jamii:Vigezo]]). '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 19:50, 18 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
:If you have time to ask Muddy and Oliver (he did quite a number) too? I propose Jamii:Vigezo vya masahihisho ya makala '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 19:53, 18 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
:: Oh I see we have under kurasa maalum this list: [[Maalum:VigezoVisivyonajamii]]. Kumbe, Kazi! '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 19:59, 18 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
== Roma ==
hi kipala, could you have a look at [[Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Mr_Accountable#19,800?]] (further down, RE: Rome). when a page exists, i cannot make moves and overwrite such pages. Mji wa... looks archaical to me, i guess it came out of the disamb page and the diamb to the Roman Empire. i think that is pretty out of the world, and apart from a handful of low german dialect interwikis, all projects have the city under just the name. Mr. A. asked to have someone else involved. '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 23:37, 22 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
:: danke für die verschiebung. die kats in [[:Jamii:Miji ya Ujerumani]] sind mittlerweile ziemlich gut bestückt, vor allem BW bis SH. Mehr als das gröbste ist bei mir ja nicht drin, also falls du irgendwo etwas mehr individualität reinbringen möchtest: ich bin da so ziemlich am ende. was ich noch machen kann sind abschnitte per bot erzeugen, ala wirtschaft, bildung (unis), und evtl. berühmte personen. wobei ich nicht weiss ob dadurch die stubs dann noch klinischer werden? - wir haben auf meiner disk seite auch eine kleine unterhaltung zu den städten in TZ mit klammer im titel. ich würd das gern an KE (und andere länder) angleichen d.h. stadtnamen ohne nix und nur eine begriffsklärung ganz oben. sag bescheid wenn wir da was übersehen haben. gruß '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 23:47, 25 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
Hallo K. bzgl. dem [[Lango:Biografia|Portal:Biografie]], hieß es zuerst "Biografia" wär in ordnung, dann hieß es "Wasifu" wär doch besser (letzteres hab ich per wörterbuch gefunden). Ich würde das portal jetzt umbenennen, wenn du mir bestätigst, dass "Wasifu" tatsächlich passender ist. ich hab den verdacht, dass W. eher "Lebenslauf" etc. bedeutet und insofern umpassend ist? Gruß, '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 15:51, 2 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
== Help with Swahili Wikibooks logo ==
Hello Kipala, could you take a look at [[Wikipedia:Jumuia#Help with Swahili Wikibooks logo]]? Thanks. <tt>:-)</tt> '''[[User:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:green">Cbrown1023</span>]]''' '''<small>[[User talk:Cbrown1023|<span style="color:#002bb8">majadiliano</span>]]</small>''' 02:36, 24 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
== Uso mpya wa wikipedia ==
Kipala, salam! Unazungumzia hii Wikipedia Usability Initiative? Watakuwa wameiweka wenyewe! Hakuna mtu aliye-switch Wikipedia ya zamani kuja katika hii mpya... Cha kushangaza, kule kwingine kama imetoka yenyewe na sifahamu kwanini hapa kwetu haijarudi ile ya zamani. Lakini kipo kipengele cha kurudisha ile ya zamani.--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 11:07, 8 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
::Asante kwa kunidokeza kweli nimeweza kuirudisha. '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 14:44, 8 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
:::Karibu mzee wangu! Hata hivyo, ile hatua ipo kwenye majaribio na sidhani kama muda mrefu kutoka sasa wataiweka kote - huku wakiacha kipengele cha matumizi ya MediaWiki ya zamani! Kama kawaida ya Wajerumani kwa kushikilia ukale eeh! Haya, wako--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 05:44, 9 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
::: Salam Kipala, the "Vector" skin from the Usability Initiative is now the default skin on all projects. I don't think any project has a choice... [[Mtumiaji:Sj|Sj]] [[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Sj|<font color="#f90">'''+'''</font>]] 19:07, 20 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
:::: At least on German I could choose to retain the old face. This one on sw really brings problems because of the googlge initiative (new people) and the question who is to rewrite our mwongozo??? Please try to get me a contact i shall gladly pester them myself. '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 19:40, 20 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
::::Kipala, I do not think if the vector skin is much problem for a newbies. It's a matter of time and also on the Swahili there is feature to return to the old skin. That's available in every wiki project.--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 05:57, 21 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
:::::Samahnai Muddy, sioni vile! Yaani tatizo si wewe au mimi lakini kila mtu anayejaribu kutumi mwelekezo wetu- ni bure sasa hadi kuandikwa upya! Kwa sasa sina muda huu. Our help pages have been rendered useless for a large part. Do you have time to redo them? (It has become more complicated with more choice which is not good for newcomers. That is why I try to get someone who has access to the buttons. AND THE OLD SKIN COMES BACK ONLY PARTLY not wholly! And then it is no help for a new user s he starts in the new one and can forget our help pages. I don`t like it personally because I spent hours which are bure now but that is not so important. The problem is the new guys without help. That is why I do not like this change being forced on projects. '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 13:18, 21 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
== Wachawi ==
Kipala, you just again put a {{tl|delete}} tag onto an article, merely 3 hours old and by an author not familiar with wikipedia. Give people a change to improve articles! With actions like this i wouldnt be surprised if new people just leave, thinking they have A) no say in wikipedia and B) that sw:wp is a club, run by a few people. The attitude I am asking for is not "for pedagogical reasons", but should be a code of conduct of a "new wikipedia". Also, I question the delete-policy, which reminds me of a German-style delete policy, but one that is completely inapropriate on sw:wp. '''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 09:14, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
:There was a question who the author of this article would be. I believe it to be [http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtumiaji:Shadracknaftal Shadrack], so now we can communicate with him. He even leaves his email address on his page - so you may want to email him and explain how to log on (instead of appearing as an unregistered user) as well as how to find some help (he's already thanked Muddyb for encouragement). Thanks! --'''[[Mtumiaji:Baba Tabita|Baba Tabita]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Baba Tabita|majadiliano]])''' 09:43, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
::I guess the tag is ok. I mean the guy is temporarily active and has produced some interesting content, but also stuff that is out of bounds and cannot stay. ''(we still have quite some inheritance from early times when we nearly never threw anything out. Since we are beyond 5000 entries it is difficult to remember, so better mark early.)'' I just saw the hint from Oliver and try communication with Shadrack. If he reacts - fine - hopefully someone who can learn and stay for a while. If not - then we have to throw something out and better mark it now as it comes in.
::As for wp-German-style - I guess so far we managed to keep that one out from here. Ok for me to continue that way handling new contributors and communicating between ourselves. Elsewhere the last 2 entries would have been cases for instant futa, not labels, right? '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 10:33, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
You sound like you own Wikipedia and aknowledge that there may be temporal contributions from people who are not "we". If he falls in line, he may become useful, if not, we carry on regardless. Wikipedia should be more open, so that new contributors dont need to be talked to personally. --'''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 11:38, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
::A) What is your proposal? "More open" for what? How would you like to handle e.g. this "wachawi"- entry? B) Up til now I thought it is a positive characteristic of this wikipedia that "we" (some of "those" active here) talk personally to new contributors whereever that is possible. "I" guess that this was the way to get some people on board who have been active or still are. What is your idea instead of talking personally? C) As you mention a delete policy - why don`t you help me with a few examples from our delete-history what you see as unfitting deletes? D) about the ownership thing - you have repeated this and seem to have a strong impression. Well, that is not my view. What shall we do about it? '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 12:30, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
A) More open to people's reasons to contribute. For mature user wikipedia is an encyclopedia, but there are many other ways it is seen. Thats is already the case for various other wiki-languages and (as far as i see it for sw), the average native sw contributor is seeing wikipedia more of an interactive website. If the outlook for wikipedia doesn't reflect this, it will never grow into a community. With interactive I mean to see entries more like e.g. a [http://de-de.facebook.com/pages/Handelshochschule-Leipzig/112681578742996 facebook entry]: with links, content, talk pages and so on - but also with more symbolic meanings of page-titles (thats why I proposed removing the bracket from TZ town). B) I dont mean no harm. One think that is crucial for me, is that we need to understand that "we" (the non-native speaker) are guests in sw:wp. As a guest I have to regognize the particular features of the home-owner - as of A) above. Once these basic principles are sorted out, i believe communication would be easier possible anyway - also upfront communication. But i also think that a lot of people find it intimidating. C) The delete policy is just an aspect of the above, i.e. if a commonly shared approach as of A) is in place, delete wouldnt be a problem. It looks like the two examples turned out that M. was in fact a spelling mistake and the author didnt mean to write an article on the person, and W. may have been meant as a redirect, or a page of its own. Generally, I agree: there are plenty of spam entries, that can de deleted immidiately, but in some cases (even if there are titles with spelling mistakes or punctuation mark in it) some new contributors would be very grateful if their entry survives. I correct myself: the critic of the delting-policy is just a critic for points A) and B). --'''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 13:11, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
:: As for practical dealing with all this, i have no critic in particular, i just wanted to speak my mind in the face of more, possibly shy or less-assertive new users to come. Even if things arent actually said, they should still be taken into account. --'''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 14:07, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
OK, I try to answer.
A) Thank you for reminding that it is important to be open for the new user who tries to make a contribution. I think here at sw we try to do that, but getting bigger makes that more difficult. We should not react too much in routine to new and imperfect contributions but remain open.
Wikipedia is here to be an encyclopedia, also for inexperienced users. My reason to write here ist that Kiswahili needs and deserves an encyclopedia and I see this one as the only real chance. Sort of Interactive we are. ''( I cannot open facebook where I live)''. As an encyclopedia we need to go for quality and have to care for standards - that we also have to continue to discuss.
B) I feel absolutely at home in this sw-wiki (at en-wiki and also de-wiki I am more of a guest). "Native speaker" may not exactly be what you had in you mind, I guess.
C) on deleting or warning tags I agree to your caveat in principle; but still the best time to put a marker is when it is visible as a new entry, otherwise it disappears and stays. In a number of cultural entries there will always be space for debate what is appropriate or not; but in cases like mbegha (as it was) I see no question - just compare to the existing [[mbega]]. This is rather what Kiswahili deserves. '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 15:39, 18 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
:::First, I haven’t mentioned the ownership before, so maybe you have heard it from other users too. New contributors should not just be tolerated but encouraged. Yes, if you have a good day, you may let loose from your routine, but that’s not the point.
:::What’s the apparent quality of articles worth, if there is no community to develop it? User will mature, and if there are user, so will the wikipedia content. I think we all can see why everyone is here, I am not sure if you understood what I meant with “interactive”. Facebook is just an example for an online community that has a different kind of interaction. Of course, wikipedias content would allow for a lot more than (for example) Facebook.
:::If you have critic for the en:Mbegha, please be more specific and please tell so on en. It’s a stub and its mainly from two highly regarded secondary sources, which are also listed and accessible online. As you have chosen a title with brackets, and since you haven’t responded to my previous questions (above) regarding those brackets, I want to leave a few comments:
:::For comparison, [[:en:Wikipedia:Article titles]] recommends article titles to be 1) Recognizable, 2) Natural, 3) Precise, 4) Concise and 5) Consistent. As of point 2, the English Wikipedia is mostly avoiding brackets, while I know the German wikipedia to use brackets in excess (mainly argued for point 3). Now, sw:wp has a lot of those brackets – proportionally many more than on other wiki-languages. The first thing I thought of were inexperienced user, getting stuck with such page titles (we all know the countless articles, loaded with wrongly set round and square brackets). The next thing is the question “natural versus precise” and how Tanzanians and Kenyans would choose? I know people, finding those hidden links artificial (leading you to a page that is pretending to be something else). And the last thing is missing consistency. For towns there are forms like Mji wa…, …(mji), …, Country, … (Country), and so on. All in all reminds me of a cryptic word salad, only findable via two or three links and only linkable for experienced user. You need to be really encyclopedic to enjoy working within that.
:::I won’t continue contributing. I had fun working on here for those weeks, but not anymore. Its sad that despite me asking for feedback weeks ago (above), all I get is behind-the-back blackmailing (also above and various talk pages). I hope for sw to get a change. Good luck --'''[[Mtumiaji:CGN2010|CGN2010]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:CGN2010|majadiliano]])''' 00:04, 19 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
== Re:Swali ==
Salam mzee Kipala,
Sijaona swali lako. Pia sijaona hata kwenye mail ya Yahoo. Labda utume tena! Ujumbe pia nimeutuma kupitia barua pepe yako!--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 15:32, 20 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
:Nimeliona!--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 16:15, 20 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
== Uchini = Nchini ==
I made all the necessary changes. I wear contact lenses and I don't always see things close up. Thank you for catching that! '''[[Mtumiaji:Jhendin|Jhendin]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Jhendin|majadiliano]])''' 13:09, 28 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
== Kupiga kura ==
Salaam, mzee Kipala. Hamna shida. Tunatafuta urahisi wa mambo na si kukwaza mambo! Haya, tuendelee.--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 07:03, 30 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
== Departments of Gabon ==
Salam, Kipala. Ninashida ya kujua maana ya Departments kwa Kiswahili. Sijui katika mtindo wa ngazi za utawala wa nchi hiyo department umaanisha nini. Je, una la kushauri angalau niamke na mimi kutoka katika usingizi mzito? Wako, Muddyb au,--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 08:49, 6 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)
:Naona hapa ni kama wilaya nikitazama [[en: Gabon#Provinces_and_departments]] ; kile wanachoita "province" si jimbo bali mkoa, [[Maalum:Michango/91.98.113.164|91.98.113.164]] 08:58, 6 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)
::Kwa hiyo niite "Wilaya za Gabon"?--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 09:07, 6 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)
:::Sijui ama kutumia lugha "Departments za Gabon" (redirect kwa Wilaya za Gabon) au kinyume. Unaweza kuwauliza hao waliopanga vitengo hivi kwa vingi kama Akaunti? '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 10:19, 6 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)
::::Wao waliita kama ilivyo. Departments za... Hawakuwa tohoa maana kamili kwa Kiswahili. Hasa kwa hizi nchi ambazo zinaongea Kifaransa. Bahati nzuri, Flowerpaty anajua Kifaransa - hivyo wakaamua vile wapendavyo kwa mtiririko wa Kifaransa kwenda Kiingereza halafu Kiswahili! Ilikuwa kazi! Basi nitaita departments za Gabon!--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 11:26, 6 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)
:::::Ukiziorodhesha katika makala ya pekee kama ile ya [[en:Departments of Gabon]] unaweza kueleza ya kwamba ni kama wilaya. Ila tu naona ni sawa kuziita Kifar. "departement" badala ya Kiing. "department". Tena ina faida fulani kutumia majina ya kienyeji kila mahali maana kunatokea ya kwamba katika nchi 1 "vilayet" ni tofauti kuliko "Wilaya" katika nchi A na "Wilaya" katika nchi B yaani madaraka na nagzi ya utawala zinatofautiana. '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 13:32, 6 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)
== Do-27 Bild ==
Hi Kipala, Ich war nicht schlecht überrascht, eine Antwort auf Deutsch zu bekommen. Da ich kein Swahiki kann, würde ich mich über eine Zusammenarbeit freuen. Google-tranlate is halt nicht optimal. Die Bezeichnung ''Ndege'' für die Maschine von Bernhard und Michael Grzimek viel in dem Film ''Serengeti darf nicht sterben (engl.: Serengeti shall not die)''. Vielleicht kannst Du das ja in den Artikel einarbeiten. Vielen Dank und Grüße aus dem herbstlichen Berlin! Jörg, der '''[[Mtumiaji:BajanZindy|BajanZindy]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:BajanZindy|majadiliano]])''' 19:44, 7 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)
== [[Kigezo:Infobox disease]] ==
Salam, mzee Kipala! Umeona kwamba nimeanzisha hicho kigezo kwa mujibu wa maombi yako kule kwa Akaunti. Nimeona ninaweza kuingiza nyaraka zile na sasa ni kwazi kwako Kuswahilisha! Ukiona shida sana namna kilivyojipanga, tafadhali nijulishe na tutasaidiana katika hili. Wako, Muddyb, au--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 07:02, 9 Novemba 2010 (UTC)
:Salam, mzee Kipala. Je, umetokea kukiona kigezo cha [[:Kigezo:Karibu-en|Karibu-en]]?--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 12:17, 6 Desemba 2010 (UTC)
::Asante. Kigezo hiki ni kizuri ila tu mimi napendelea kuwa na kigezo kimoja cha kariibu - kwa Kiswahili na menginevyo mistari miwili kwa Kiingereza kwa wale wasioelewa kitu. Kwanza ni kazi ya nyongeza kuwatofautisha; kama mtu anajiandikisha nataka kumpa ile Karibu haraka lakini nijuaje kama anajua Kiswahili au la? Kutokana na jina tu? Tena nadhani maelezo mengi labda hatamsaidia maana asipojua Kiswahili si nyumbani kwke hapa. Wengi wanakuja tu kama bots au kwa sababu zao. Wachache wanajiamini kutunga makala za mbegu hata bila kujua lugha na hapa naona afadhali waambiwe kuwasiliana na mkabidhi mapema. Mimi ningeacha lugha hii moja, pamoja na Kiingereza kidogo na labda maneno 2 kwa bots. '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala#top|majadiliano]])''' 15:09, 6 Desemba 2010 (UTC)
::Si wazo - wala mtazamo mbaya kwa hilo. Ninaunga mkono kwa asilimia 100.--[[User:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="blue"><sub>'''Mwanaharakati'''</sub></font>]]</span><font face="Verdana">[[User talk:Muddyb Blast Producer|<font color="gray"><sup>'''Longa'''</sup></font>]] 16:23, 6 Desemba 2010 (UTC)
== Image metadata ==
I obtained the permit to use some images from a blog by Chemi Che Mponda (an obviously well known TZ- blogger now living in US). She requested, however, some form of attribution to her as author. So I decided on Laiseni Huria ya Umma "Attribution 3.0 Unported" (Cretaive Commons). Now I am not sure if it is enough if anybody opening the image files sees that attribution or if I have to include it also in the caption of the image e.g. here http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manda_%28Ludewa%29. The image file is http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picha:Mbuyu_Manda_Wiedhafen_2009_Chemi_Che.jpg. Appreciate your advice. '''[[Mtumiaji:Kipala|Kipala]] ([[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Kipala|majadiliano]])''' 19:29, 14 Desemba 2010 (UTC)
: Happy 10th anniversary to you! CC-SA 3.0 is a good license to choose. You simply need to include it in the metadata of the [[:Image:Mbuyu_Manda_Wiedhafen_2009_Chemi_Che.jpg|file on its own page]]. Additionally, if you move it to [[commons:Main Page|Wikimedia Commons]] others can use it on other languages and projects. [[Mtumiaji:Sj|Sj]] [[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Sj|<font color="#f90">'''+'''</font>]] 22:50, 5 Februari 2011 (UTC)
== Abdi Abdallah ==
Can you look at this user's page (created after Wikimania ended) and perhaps help invite him to this wiki instead?
http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Abdi_M._Abdallah
[[Mtumiaji:Sj|Sj]] [[Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Sj|<font color="#f90">'''+'''</font>]] 22:58, 5 Februari 2011 (UTC)
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