Mtumiaji:Kipala/Archive 8

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Picha, michoro, etc

Hi, with MuddyB's encouragement I have started a functional category tree for image files here, see Jamii:Picha za Wikipedia. I know in the past we have not had much trouble with our small number of files, but there are quite a few by now and with new users the list is growing faster. There are about 200 uncategorized files now, down from 800+ a couple of weeks ago, but there are countless un-permissioned files. As you probably know, the legal disposition of picture file copyrights (along with biographies of living persons) is an important part of the Wikipedia management agenda. So, I am humbly asking that you join the effort and set an example by getting the permission and putting the category for new files. I have to go around and talk to new users about putting copyrights on files, and eventually we will definitely have to use a 7-day or 21-day deletion tag for unpermissioned pictures. Most all of these unpermissioned pictures have no potential problem with the copyright, of course, but it is true that as the Google project continues, the real Wiki world is catching up with us here, just like at en or de etc, alas, and I know you're probably not interested in having tagged pictures. In case you haven't talked to Muddy about it, we are still quite unsure as to when we will need to start tagging pictures, but it will be after we talk to new users about it at length; maybe by a few months from now we will have a very firm policy functioning. Cheers. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 14:43, 8 Januari 2010 (UTC)

OK thats fine with me. In the past I have probably not always made sure that I filled out the form. I have worked quite a bit localising (kuswahilisha) graphics from other wikis relabeling them (inserting Swahili text in maps etc) or also worked with cuttings (like today the handshake - did I label it?? of Condi Rice because the standard handshakes on commons are just wazungu hands) from other wikis / or reworking the stars image which was a bit weak in the original from commons.
Do you know a way to prevent uploads without putting a label? I would prefer that for my own weak memory and for others as well. We will contine to have very untrained newscomers from TZ / EAK backgrounds who may also disappear gain as long as access to the web is so difficult.
I feel it also important to have our labeling in Swahili. Yaani tunaweza kutumia picha zote kutoka pande zote za wikipedia; naona tutumie faida ya copyrights zote kama ni US au Ufaransa nakadhalika. Tuko wachache mno ili tucopy masharti mareeeefu ya kisheria kutoka penginepo. Tuelewane: Kama picha iko mahal basi tutumie, na tuweke labels safi. --Kipala (majadiliano) 19:31, 8 Januari 2010 (UTC)
Hi, please don't worry about any problems with current pictures ... I was writing to give you a heads up on the pichas and to get some support, and to let you know that we definitely have some file categories now. ... I myself have time to start putting extant permissions forms on most pictures, just to square them away irregardless of whether the message template is properly translated yet - I'll leave that set of translations and implementations to you and the others. In looking at your picha contributions I will be able to get most of it done, I'll let you know if I can't figure it out. The collection of images that has accrued since the beginning of sw is manageable, but it doesn't make sense to continue with just uploading them and using them, (as I myself have done) because there's 10s of new uploads / day. MuddyB said that he would do something about picha upload infomation, but it's too busy for now. The sooner this is done the sooner I can get back to writing sets of stubs (cercles of Mali, states of India, cities of Finland, ...). ... As far as preventing uploads w/o labels, I think in practice this is done by tagging them after they have been improperly uploaded. I wouldn't worry about any pictures currently on sw.wikipedia, but there would come a statistical point (involving influx vs manual sorting capacity) after which unlabeled uploads would simply be tagged and then would be lost by attrition - effectively preventing uploads without sufficient labels in a retroactive manner, like on the other wikipediai. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 01:35, 9 Januari 2010 (UTC)
+ We are relatively low profile, page-visit-wise, so the disposition of permissions tranferred from other Wikipedia does not seem to require detailed examination at this time; and, the actual exposure of material here as compared other Wikipedias (which are in the top 5 of respective national Alexa ratings) is not of great moment, but copyright management is a prime concern nonetheless, thus MuddyB has asked me to spend time with it. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 01:54, 9 Januari 2010 (UTC)
+ ! Hi, are you here now? I created a list on my Automated WikiBrowser, easier than I thought, of User contributions:Kipala, filter for pichas, count=432; in the case of your pictures I am guessing that the set of files lacks problems, so I may as well just label each one with the simple GFDL license and then continue with the same 432 and further differentiate principally with labels 'English Wikipedia GFDL w/disclaimers' (for simple uploads of en images; label phrase 'with disclaimers' helps include extant minor variations in the original's GNU labeling back on en), 'Own work all rights released (Public domain)' and 'Own work copyleft attribution required' (for modified and translated images). Let me know what you think, I should be available here now that holidays are over. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 03:51, 9 Januari 2010 (UTC)
Re: Msaada: Again I am impressed. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 14:31, 11 Januari 2010 (UTC)

Asante sana kwa moyo.

Bw. Kipala, nimesoma mchango wako katika makala yangu ya 'Ruiru' na ninakushukuru sana kwa moyo ulionipa. Ninazidi kutia bidii na ninaamini Mungu yu nami.

Wako, Samson Maosa

Kisii, Kenya

Bw. Kipala, kulingana na majadiliano kuhusu makala ya Kisii, Kenya, nimevirekebisha vigezo vilivyokuwa na makosa. Pia nimeunda ukrasa mpya Kisii (Kenya) kulingana na mtindo wa Kiswahili na kuuelekeza kwa makala haya. Isitoshe, nimejaribu kukikuza kipengele cha virejeleo. Unaonaje?

Mwanafunzi Samson Maosa.

Usafishaji baada ya shindano

Salaam, mzee wangu. Namshukuru Mungu kwamba shindano limemalizika. Sasa naona tuanze kazi ya kusafisha ... Nimeanza kutafuta makala zilizoanzishwa, hasa Novemba, bila kuandikwa - angalia Wikipedia:Makala_kwa_ufutaji. Pia, nimeanza kutumia vigezo vya {{mergeto}} na {{mergefrom}}, k.m. katika Thika Wilaya au Mlima Kenya. Haya, tusonge mbele. Wasalaam, --Baba Tabita (majadiliano) 03:58, 30 Januari 2010 (UTC)


Thanks, I was puzzled by that word "uneo"; I copied the sentence from another article. All fixed now, thanks again. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 08:56, 29 Machi 2010 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for the note, the profiles look ok, I had tried to work with the other profiles (right hand column) at that page but the links came back "Reported Attack Site" on my Mozilla Firefox. There doesn't seem to be any problem with the new links. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 06:34, 31 Machi 2010 (UTC)

Why don't we have infoboxes for Regions of Tanzania, like for Jimbo la Adrar (which was created by MuddyB?) I am certainly ready to implement these. And then could contiue with Kenya and USA. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 03:46, 2 Aprili 2010 (UTC)


Hi, should it be Jamii:Ghuba ya San Fransisko or Jamii:Ghuba la San Fransisko? --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 16:56, 11 Aprili 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I would go for "Hori ya San Francisco" - ghuba (ya) is a bit larger ("gulf"). Cf San_Francisco where we have, however, "hori la" ( I have not been consistent with this word - it is one of the words where we have both forms, I think! See " Hori ya Chesapeake" where I unfortunately mixed both . . ); As for the City I`d also rather go for the local spelling with geographical names in general, except for places where we have a real Swahili form (Uingereza, Ufaransa...) --Kipala (majadiliano) 18:20, 11 Aprili 2010 (UTC)
So, for instance, it may be a good idea to go to Jamii:British Kolumbia and change every instance of "Kolumbia" to "Columbia" using AWB? --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 11:33, 13 Aprili 2010 (UTC)
Not my talks, but I might intercept the talking. If you need to change the word Kolumbia to Columbia, then consider to change also Mexiko to Mexico! Cheers.--MwanaharakatiLonga 12:42, 13 Aprili 2010 (UTC)
Karibu Muddy! I am not sure about this but I would stick with Kolumia for the country name. When I started the country entries which I mostly did, I did a lot of research. Some of the "official" sites give lists of names for most countries - which differ, however: between TUKI, BAKITA and other lists (like: Kamusi Hai) are differences. Generally all these lists try to "swahilize" names - omitting "C" for example. I found that some of these name forms looked very artificial and google showed that they are hardly used ("Ginikweta" e.g.). So I confess that I sometimes used my own judgement which form to use (and sometimes to go for a form none of the other lists had).
I always did several redirects from all other forms known to me, for example I did "Ekwetorio Gini", "Ginekweta" redirecting to "Guinea ya Ikweta"; au: "Ginebisau", "Guiné-Bissau" redirecting to "Guinea Bisau".
Soon I encountered the next problem when started on the capital cities. There is just no "official" list for these - With the articles about cities we are ahead of Tuki and the other institutions. That is where i decided to stick usually to local forms. Obviously there is the question what to do when the locals say "Maskva", write in Cyrillic script "Moskva" and probably most most Africans use English "Moscow"! Should I write it "Moskau" (like in German) or "Mosko" ? In this case I went for Moscow (because most Waswahili dont know cyrillic); with languages written in Latin script I rather took the local form (like French, Spanish) and did not try to write the English pronounciation of a French word: so I write "Paris", and not "Peris" (englisch pronounciation) nor "Pari" (french pronounciation); I write Bordeaux (not "Bordo").
My advice:
  • Country names; Swahili names if there is a real one (Ujerumani, Marekani); else according to some "Swahilized" form - but with all possible redirects so that people who look for the country will get it.
  • Provinces / Majimbo only go for translationin cases where we have an actual use of it (I found somewhere "Saksonia" for Sachsen ( English: Saxony)), otherwise stay with the local name.
  • cities: Always the local name UNLESS the few cities which may have real Swahili name.
I am not a big fan to write English pronounciation in Swahili form, because English have big problems pronouncing foreign words, and I also think of the Swahli speakers in Francophone Africa (Kongo!!) who hopefully start to use internet and we maybe exclude them by going for English-Swahili spelling. What do you think? --Kipala (majadiliano) 15:55, 13 Aprili 2010 (UTC)

New York miji, New York kata

Hi, thanks, I am aware of some difference between mji and kata from working w/Mwanaharakati on some Tanzania articles. I am not sure what to do. In my recent work on the cities, towns, townships and boroughs of New Jersey, the different forms of government in the state are explained quite clearly in lists and articles linked from "Traditional forms" in this template: en:Template:NJmunigov. ... In checking some of the Nassau County Census Designated Places (CDPs), I find that Garden City Park has "municipal" volunteer fire department and water district websites, yet is a non-legal unincorporated municipal entity. At the same time, some CDPs are incorporated with their own municipal websites and municipal services (North New Hyde Park)[1]. In the interests of the Wikipedia I will have to go through and check each Nassau County CDP on the English Wikipedia to see whether it says if it is incorporated. It seems tedious and not very simple or scientific. I will try to find some kind of list in en:Wikipedia about the various forms of government of the settlements of Nassau, similar to that at New Jersey. (for instance en:Township (New Jersey) and en:Category:Townships in New Jersey) ... Is there some other way of doing this that doesn't require all this research? --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 13:59, 26 Aprili 2010 (UTC)

I have continued the discussion back at my user talk page. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 14:31, 26 Aprili 2010 (UTC)

Block of bot LaaknorBot

I see that you've blocked my bot LaaknorBot, and if I understand your reason correctly, it has blanked pages, but I can't see that it has blanked any pages based on it's contributions. Have you done this in error? (please respond to my norwegian usertalk as I'm not checking this wiki activly. Laaknor (majadiliano) 10:59, 23 Mei 2010 (UTC)

Nimechunguza michango yake na hakuna kuondosha kitu. Naona amezuiliwa kwa kosa. Nimeondoa kizuizi chake. Wasalaam, --Baba Tabita (majadiliano) 18:16, 23 Mei 2010 (UTC)


Imefanyika. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 14:20, 29 Mei 2010 (UTC)

Hongera ya makala 18,000

Salam, Kipala! Hongera ya makala 18,000! Kumbe tumefika - japokuwa kuna mengi ya kusahihisha na kufuta pia. Lakini si mbaya tukipongezana! Tuendeleeni jamani.--MwanaharakatiLonga 09:08, 31 Mei 2010 (UTC)

Kweli. Kuna magunia mengi hayana mzigo wa kutosha na hata sioni wa kuongezea japo debe moja la mahindi! Lakini pia afadhali kwa sababu hayakuwa mchanganyiko wa maharagwe, mahindi, na mchele ndani ya gunia moja - tehethethe...--MwanaharakatiLonga 12:44, 31 Mei 2010 (UTC)

Errors in Template:Alfabeti ya Kigiriki kamili

Please enable me editing Template:Alfabeti ya Kigiriki kamili - I need to fix following errors:

I already added references to Alfabeti_ya_Kigiriki#Viungo_vya_Nje, they support my proposals. For example analogous changes were already accepted. SMITHECAV (majadiliano) 17:13, 4 Juni 2010 (UTC)

Dear visitor, if I understand correctly you don`t understand Kiswahili. It would have been a) nice and b) helpful if you followed nettiquette and first made a proposal on the discussion page and waited for reactions. I am not convinced about your proposal concerning digamma (wau?). You have not brought any quotable source. I do not see why you should start changing with sw. if you like to have a crusade against digamma in wikipedias across the globe - better start with English, German French - the big ones. We do not know you nor your qualities and cannot check on these. I am going to return this to digamma and lock the relevant articles. --Kipala (majadiliano) 18:00, 4 Juni 2010 (UTC)
We can stick to digamma/disigma unification instead, as Greeks do, see. Quotable sources are already added to Alfabeti_ya_Kigiriki#Viungo_vya_Nje, so read them - both wau/sampi & digamma/disigma are mentioned. I didn't edited Greek wiki at all, so it is trustable. I have approach of unifying to archaic wau/sampi and when not approved, I switch to modern digamma/disigma alternative unification. Please give me chance to edit Template:Alfabeti ya Kigiriki kamili, as you wished I inverted unification goal here, thanks.SMITHECAV (majadiliano) 18:30, 4 Juni 2010 (UTC)
Nimeirudisha. Kipala (majadiliano) 18:31, 4 Juni 2010 (UTC)


All is repaired and explained according to at Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Muddyb_Blast_Producer#Redirect, please be helpful for this good faith contributor. Thanks very much. 09:14, 5 Juni 2010 (UTC)

I repaired missing errors of this blocked new reguser that thou forgot to repair:

so Delta (herufi) is reinstated everywhere as thou want.

I turned again Delta_(mto) into redirect to Delta as thou wants - otherwise we have redundant identical articles.

Can thou similarly turn obsoleted Template:Alfabeti_ya_kigiriki_kamili (this one without references in footer) into redirect to currently approved Kigezo:Alfabeti_ya_Kigiriki_kamili - this is only thing which I cannot repair because of locking - otherwise we have redundant templates and interwiki robots will get stumbled, resulting in double interwikization of Kiswahili template. Please note that all letters and articles already use new Kigezo:Alfabeti_ya_Kigiriki_kamili. I mean pasting into obsolete Template:Alfabeti_ya_kigiriki_kamili following text:


This will fix the problem. Otherwise interwiki robots will generate dual Kiswahili interwikis. 11:11, 5 Juni 2010 (UTC)

Other admin already fixed this. For now, whole Greek alphabet article family looks perfectly OK, case closed. 14:09, 5 Juni 2010 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales' Wikimania questionnaire

Hi, I received a message from Jimbo Wales' office, asking if I would like to participate in a questionnaire. As I am not so proficient in Kiswahili, I wonder if you would be interested? /// Hi, mimi nilipokea ujumbe kutoka kwa ofisi ya jimbo Wales ', kuuliza kama napenda kushiriki katika maswali ya. Kama mimi si hivyo magari katika Kiswahili, mimi ajabu kama ingekuwa nia? Kama wewe ni, nami nitawapa ujumbe kwamba una nia. /// Please see: User talk:Mr Accountable#Hello! --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 18:27, 1 Julai 2010 (UTC)

Msaada wa tasfiri

Salam mzee Kipala. Kumradhi ndugu, unaweza kutoa maoni kwenye ukurusa wa jumuia? Tafadhali tembelea:


Kila la kheri.--MwanaharakatiLonga 13:46, 3 Julai 2010 (UTC)


Nadhani labda wewe umepata pia maswali yale ya Rachel - hapa majibu yangu: Mtumiaji:Kipala/questionnaire - Kipala (majadiliano) 19:07, 30 Juni 2010 (UTC)

Asante, nimesoma majibu yako na nakubali kabisa. Hawa wanavyuo wametafsiri vibaya sana na wametupatia kazi kubwa ya kusafisha makala. ChriKo (majadiliano) 00:00, 5 Julai 2010 (UTC)
Mimi pia nakubali yote mliyoyaandika! Tusikate tamaa kuhusu usafishaji wa kurasa hizo za Kigoogle! Ingawa shauri la Muddy ni zuri pia: tusizipotezee muda mrefu mno. Tuna mengine mengi ya kuandikwa upya! --Riccardo Riccioni (majadiliano) 06:25, 11 Julai 2010 (UTC)


Yes, thanks, I have time for that. I will set AWB to make the list for "search 'jimbo za'" and I will correct each instance that I find. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 04:16, 19 Julai 2010 (UTC)

I corrected 67 instances of "jimbo za", principally in categories states of Brazil and states of India. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 11:16, 21 Julai 2010 (UTC)
Safi sana, it is fun to work with you! --Kipala (majadiliano) 17:13, 22 Julai 2010 (UTC)
LOL Thanks very much. You know, Jamii:Mkoa/Majimbo ya Brazil, Uswisi, Japan, China, and many others; and Jamii: Miji ya Ufaransa, Miji ya Marekani na Miji ya Kanada etc (>1000 articles) at this time, are mostly made by me and mostly all the same. If there is a change, or addition, that needs to be made to these articles, it really does only take a short time. I have other stuff to do this month, or I would have fixed "jimbo za" very quickly. ... Let me know. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 07:10, 24 Julai 2010 (UTC)

Shindano la Google

Salam mzee Kipala. Nimependa ujumbe wako uliouacha kwenye ukurasa wa majadiliano wa yule mtumiaji CG2010. Ujumbe huo ulikuwa:

This left a number of articles which could not be reviewed yet as there was a large (by our standards) number of absolutely new contributors who were attracted by google-prizes 8a few laptops). Nearly all of them are gone now and left a lot of articles which often are not really state of the art formally and also linguistically.

Basi nime-ya-kopi hayo maandishi na kuyatumia kwenye blogu yangu:

Ahsante sana!--MwanaharakatiLonga 06:52, 19 Julai 2010 (UTC)

Majadiliano ya kigezo:Infobox Settlement

hi Kipala. i try to bring this template into a usable form, in particular getting a consitent en and sw format and eliminating errors with seals etc. even tough most users (now and to be expected in the future) will just copy the entire tempalte 1:1 from en, i want to allow for a temlate to use en and sw parameter, the titles (on the left side) always coming out in sw. So i want to differentiate between parameter "labels" and the actual explanantion (the "text" which comes out in articles). Also, because sw is not a 3mio wiki, i have eliminated a lot of options - those which are pointless in sw or look funny. please have a look and see where you would like different expressions. Best! CGN2010 (majadiliano) 17:03, 19 Julai 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, absentminded, forgot I already wrote about thisHi, CGN, I like the new Infobox Bendera and Seal input lines very much; there are very many bendera and nembo at city articles, where I have simply put the bendera or nembo in the text of the article. I will put all those in the infobox, but there is some problem with the bendera and seal lines; 1=if there is no information in "seal", then the bendera does not display, and 2=the seal does not seem to display at all. I know this is not the highest priority, but when that is ready to go, I will get busy on putting flags and seals into the infobox. Thanks again. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 07:14, 24 Julai 2010 (UTC)
OK I tested a bit on the Bad Urach entry. It works ok. It is not very easy to use, you have to get used to it. Probably nothing for newcomers. Especially because obviously en-wiki is using a special template for German Cities (and other countries too?), so we have to pick and resort the data you want to use. --Kipala (majadiliano) 10:20, 24 Julai 2010 (UTC)
i dont get easyly through the settlement template eigther, but i will work it. for now, the sq miles are out of all the articles, and the template is becoming less complicated bit by bit. - Kipala, i have just started to bring the TZ mikoa into a more informative standard: including flag, government and website (for the infobox) and a template for the wilaya > based on the former table in Mkoa wa Tanga. For Arusha i noticed there is a discrapency to the map and you started working on the Wilaya ya Longido. if you know more what is correct, please let me know or correct whatever needs to be on Kigezo:Wilaya za Mkoa wa Arusha. My intention was to always have a "comment line", that way the boxes look more uniform. and they can go into several articles and so updates within them only need to be done once... (each) Greetings CGN2010 (majadiliano) 17:56, 25 Julai 2010 (UTC)


Hallo Kipala, es gibt jetzt ein Portal für Europa - ich wollt all die "country data" Vorlagen in einer Übersicht und da hat sich das so ergeben. Weil von "öffentlicher" Seite viele Artikel zu Flüssen entstanden sind (siehe GB Kategorien) habe ich vorerst ein Flußbild reingesetzt. und natürlich Köln als ausgewählten Artikel. Für die ausgewählte Persönlichkeit wußte ich nicht und dachte Du weisst einen guten Artikel, den man da rein setzten kann...? Sag nur und ich machs oder einfach selber auf roten link drücken und Lango:Ulaya/Makala iliyochaguliwa/1 als Kopiervorlage benutzen. Schön wären auch noch ein zwei Sätze in der Einleitung.... Beste Grüße, CGN2010 (majadiliano) 15:13, 7 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

Ich bin nicht sicher, was ich da machen muss - habe Karolo Mkuu für den Zweck bisschen angepasst, mach du bitte den Rest. --Kipala (majadiliano) 22:18, 7 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
PS: dito Lango:Afrika (bzgl. passende Biographie (+Artikel!...?) CGN2010 (majadiliano) 17:26, 7 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

  Imefanyika. - danke CGN2010 (majadiliano) 00:20, 8 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

Hallo Kipala, hoff' meine expansiven Änderungen sind alle im allg. Einvernehmen.... Hab auch wieder ein paar Fragen: 1) Für eine reihe von Ländern (China, Irland, ...) gibt es oft noch keine endgültige Entscheidung für eine Schreibweise, was auch Konsequenzen für ein paar Vigezo hat. Wie sieht das aus, das endgültig zu entscheiden, evtl. auch unter berücksichtigung der empfehlung von irgendwelchen offiziellen Stellen (Sprachrat etc)? (ich guck auch immer in geonames, wobei das oft nicht hilft.) 2) Seitdem "Eneo" (=Fläche) auf infobox:settlement verlinkt wurde, ist es sicherlich der am häufigsten vermisste Link. Wenn Du so einen Artikel anlegst/übersetzt), würd ich auch eine Liste zu den Größenordnungen anlegen/übersetzten. Wie soll ich dann so eine (Liste) benennen? (siehe auch en:Orders of magnitude (area) und en:Template:Area). 3) Ein Artikel Fläche würde auch dem neuen Lango:Hisabati gutun, wobei sowohl Lango:Hisabati/Intro und Lango:Hisabati/Aina za Hisabati eine Erweiterung brauchen (wenn du zeit hast). Hier links aus simple für Mathematik und M.-Felder. Gruß, CGN2010 (majadiliano) 19:16, 13 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
Hoi CGN, soweit ich es im Detail sehe, machst du eine gute und wichtige Arbeit. Die Länderschreibweise würde ich für China auf "China" festlegen und für Irland offenlassen. Unsere policy bisher war es, für unklare Ländernamen mit Parallelformen zu arbeiten. Bei den templates kann man anfangs auch noch mit verschiedenen Formen fummeln, aber ab gewisser Komplexität wird das schwierig. Dann bekommen wir halt unterentwickelte Länder auch hier.
An eneo gehe ich jetzt nicht ran, bin noch im Urlaub und weitab meiner Fachlexika.
Die Flächen von Ländern sind ja sonst auf eine Liste a la en:List_of_countries_and_outlying_territories_by_total_area verlinkt. Das haben wir in unserem template nicht vorgesehen, das nur auf "eneo" = Fläche linkt. Als ich die meisten Länderartikel und die ersten Länderlisten machte, habe ich mir eine solche Entwicklun wie jetzt nicht vorstellen können und kräftig Komlexität reduziert. Hältst du denn für sinnvoll (und hättest Zeit zu investieren): Umschrieb der Länder - vigezo / jetziger link "eneo" UND dann Erstellung der entsprechenden Liste ? Ich kann helfen, sehr viel Zeit habe ich derzeit nicht, bin aber demnächst wieder zuhause und kann dann mal hin und wieder ein Stündchen zwischenschieben. Kipala (majadiliano) 21:58, 13 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

Hallo. das mit dem unterentwickelt hab ich nicht verstanden. / du sagtest ja mal, dass sw eine große variität im ausdruck hat - was ja auch gesund ist für eine sprache. wir würden uns aber auch eine menge arbeit sparen und neuen nutzern mehr klarheit bereiten, wenn alles immer und überall eindeutig ist. das geht hin bis zum namen der nationalen fussballteams o.ä.

Die Länder-box hat für alle flächen links nach 1+E+irgendwas (import aus en). und all diese zahlen verlinkten dann auf oben erwähnte liste (können bei uns so an die 500 links sein). für das erstellen der liste wäre das meiste einfach nur kopieren, ein paar länder umgeschreiben und formatvorlagen umändern - halb so wild. ohne einen halbwegs ordentlichen artikel "Fläche" find ich so eine liste aber lächerlich. können wir ja dann in ein paar wochen angehen.

was anderes war noch eine "Kategorie:Abkürzung(en)" - auch um all die weiterleitungen zu sammeln. (auf de mit rund 30.000 Seiten) wie würde soeine Kategorie auf sw heißen? CGN2010 (majadiliano) 22:25, 13 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

Es ist gut, sich daran zu erinnern, wo du bist aus! Es ist nicht nötig, um jedes Mal durch andere Sprachen zu kommunizieren, während Sie Ihrer eigenen Sprache haben. Viel Glück für Sie beide! Cheers.--MwanaharakatiLonga 05:45, 14 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
- :-) Hey Muddyb, Willkommen im Deutschen Chat! ... Kipala: kannst du dir mal bei gelegenheit Majadiliano ya kigezo:Kalenda za Dunia ansehen. ich hab so meine zweifel an der Übersetzung des indischen und armenischen Kalenders. ich sah du hast den islam. Kalender angelegt, so vielleicht kennst du dich ein wenig aus. gruß CGN2010 (majadiliano) 12:28, 16 Agosti 2010 (UTC)


Hi, I don't think we have any way to govern use of AWB here at sw. I got approved for AWB at en and I was able to use AWB here at sw immediately. Is that because I'm an sw:administrator? I don't know. I do know that for all projects (languages), each language has individual approval protocol for AWB use. If we have the ability to approve/deny AWB use, we should simply approve CGN2010, who has decided to use AWB. ... If we don't have AWB protocol, we should probably get it, I'm sure the people at AWB would appreciate it if we did. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 14:32, 17 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

Would you mind just to explain in simple words what AWB is doing, what is different from now and an example how you are using it. And maybe 2 arguments of people who do not lie it. Kipala (majadiliano) 14:50, 17 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
Well, actually, maybe we don't need to change anything. Maybe we already have a way to govern the use of AWB here at SW. I've asked for some information from an AWB person at en:AWB. I'll keep you posted. --Mr Accountable (majadiliano) 15:33, 17 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

re:Rais wa Marekani na utafsiri wa google

Sorry about that. I actually was "moving" the article from "Marais wa Amerika" which seemed to be mislabeled. I didn't create the article and if you want to delete it go ahead. Yes, it would be nice if someone marked or deleted articles that are mumbo-jumbo so people don't bother trying to fix them. --MarsRover (majadiliano) 14:48, 18 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

hello, if there is a template in en:Category:Cleanup_templates that might fit our need i can import it and we can label such articles. CGN2010 (majadiliano) 19:12, 18 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
I did {{lugha}} for this purpose. I am not sure if we need more and more detailed templates. Probably it would help if someone has the time to collect and categorize the templates we have already, because in he beginning I never cared about categories. Kipala (majadiliano) 19:44, 18 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

yes i realised it too after i just created another template. i have started to categorise them today and can do a category for maintanance/housekeeing/repair or something like that - if you give me a name. also the category name should be in the schemes "jamii: Vigezo vya/kwa/ya maintanance" for simplicity (see Jamii:Vigezo). CGN2010 (majadiliano) 19:50, 18 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

If you have time to ask Muddy and Oliver (he did quite a number) too? I propose Jamii:Vigezo vya masahihisho ya makala Kipala (majadiliano) 19:53, 18 Agosti 2010 (UTC)
Oh I see we have under kurasa maalum this list: Maalum:VigezoVisivyonajamii. Kumbe, Kazi! Kipala (majadiliano) 19:59, 18 Agosti 2010 (UTC)


hi kipala, could you have a look at Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Mr_Accountable#19,800? (further down, RE: Rome). when a page exists, i cannot make moves and overwrite such pages. Mji wa... looks archaical to me, i guess it came out of the disamb page and the diamb to the Roman Empire. i think that is pretty out of the world, and apart from a handful of low german dialect interwikis, all projects have the city under just the name. Mr. A. asked to have someone else involved. CGN2010 (majadiliano) 23:37, 22 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

danke für die verschiebung. die kats in Jamii:Miji ya Ujerumani sind mittlerweile ziemlich gut bestückt, vor allem BW bis SH. Mehr als das gröbste ist bei mir ja nicht drin, also falls du irgendwo etwas mehr individualität reinbringen möchtest: ich bin da so ziemlich am ende. was ich noch machen kann sind abschnitte per bot erzeugen, ala wirtschaft, bildung (unis), und evtl. berühmte personen. wobei ich nicht weiss ob dadurch die stubs dann noch klinischer werden? - wir haben auf meiner disk seite auch eine kleine unterhaltung zu den städten in TZ mit klammer im titel. ich würd das gern an KE (und andere länder) angleichen d.h. stadtnamen ohne nix und nur eine begriffsklärung ganz oben. sag bescheid wenn wir da was übersehen haben. gruß CGN2010 (majadiliano) 23:47, 25 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

Hallo K. bzgl. dem Portal:Biografie, hieß es zuerst "Biografia" wär in ordnung, dann hieß es "Wasifu" wär doch besser (letzteres hab ich per wörterbuch gefunden). Ich würde das portal jetzt umbenennen, wenn du mir bestätigst, dass "Wasifu" tatsächlich passender ist. ich hab den verdacht, dass W. eher "Lebenslauf" etc. bedeutet und insofern umpassend ist? Gruß, CGN2010 (majadiliano) 15:51, 2 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

Hello Kipala, could you take a look at Wikipedia:Jumuia#Help with Swahili Wikibooks logo? Thanks. :-) Cbrown1023 majadiliano 02:36, 24 Agosti 2010 (UTC)

Uso mpya wa wikipedia

Kipala, salam! Unazungumzia hii Wikipedia Usability Initiative? Watakuwa wameiweka wenyewe! Hakuna mtu aliye-switch Wikipedia ya zamani kuja katika hii mpya... Cha kushangaza, kule kwingine kama imetoka yenyewe na sifahamu kwanini hapa kwetu haijarudi ile ya zamani. Lakini kipo kipengele cha kurudisha ile ya zamani.--MwanaharakatiLonga 11:07, 8 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

Asante kwa kunidokeza kweli nimeweza kuirudisha. Kipala (majadiliano) 14:44, 8 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
Karibu mzee wangu! Hata hivyo, ile hatua ipo kwenye majaribio na sidhani kama muda mrefu kutoka sasa wataiweka kote - huku wakiacha kipengele cha matumizi ya MediaWiki ya zamani! Kama kawaida ya Wajerumani kwa kushikilia ukale eeh! Haya, wako--MwanaharakatiLonga 05:44, 9 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
Salam Kipala, the "Vector" skin from the Usability Initiative is now the default skin on all projects. I don't think any project has a choice... Sj + 19:07, 20 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
At least on German I could choose to retain the old face. This one on sw really brings problems because of the googlge initiative (new people) and the question who is to rewrite our mwongozo??? Please try to get me a contact i shall gladly pester them myself. Kipala (majadiliano) 19:40, 20 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
Kipala, I do not think if the vector skin is much problem for a newbies. It's a matter of time and also on the Swahili there is feature to return to the old skin. That's available in every wiki project.--MwanaharakatiLonga 05:57, 21 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
Samahnai Muddy, sioni vile! Yaani tatizo si wewe au mimi lakini kila mtu anayejaribu kutumi mwelekezo wetu- ni bure sasa hadi kuandikwa upya! Kwa sasa sina muda huu. Our help pages have been rendered useless for a large part. Do you have time to redo them? (It has become more complicated with more choice which is not good for newcomers. That is why I try to get someone who has access to the buttons. AND THE OLD SKIN COMES BACK ONLY PARTLY not wholly! And then it is no help for a new user s he starts in the new one and can forget our help pages. I don`t like it personally because I spent hours which are bure now but that is not so important. The problem is the new guys without help. That is why I do not like this change being forced on projects. Kipala (majadiliano) 13:18, 21 Septemba 2010 (UTC)


Kipala, you just again put a {{delete}} tag onto an article, merely 3 hours old and by an author not familiar with wikipedia. Give people a change to improve articles! With actions like this i wouldnt be surprised if new people just leave, thinking they have A) no say in wikipedia and B) that sw:wp is a club, run by a few people. The attitude I am asking for is not "for pedagogical reasons", but should be a code of conduct of a "new wikipedia". Also, I question the delete-policy, which reminds me of a German-style delete policy, but one that is completely inapropriate on sw:wp. CGN2010 (majadiliano) 09:14, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

There was a question who the author of this article would be. I believe it to be Shadrack, so now we can communicate with him. He even leaves his email address on his page - so you may want to email him and explain how to log on (instead of appearing as an unregistered user) as well as how to find some help (he's already thanked Muddyb for encouragement). Thanks! --Baba Tabita (majadiliano) 09:43, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)
I guess the tag is ok. I mean the guy is temporarily active and has produced some interesting content, but also stuff that is out of bounds and cannot stay. (we still have quite some inheritance from early times when we nearly never threw anything out. Since we are beyond 5000 entries it is difficult to remember, so better mark early.) I just saw the hint from Oliver and try communication with Shadrack. If he reacts - fine - hopefully someone who can learn and stay for a while. If not - then we have to throw something out and better mark it now as it comes in.
As for wp-German-style - I guess so far we managed to keep that one out from here. Ok for me to continue that way handling new contributors and communicating between ourselves. Elsewhere the last 2 entries would have been cases for instant futa, not labels, right? Kipala (majadiliano) 10:33, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

You sound like you own Wikipedia and aknowledge that there may be temporal contributions from people who are not "we". If he falls in line, he may become useful, if not, we carry on regardless. Wikipedia should be more open, so that new contributors dont need to be talked to personally. --CGN2010 (majadiliano) 11:38, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

A) What is your proposal? "More open" for what? How would you like to handle e.g. this "wachawi"- entry? B) Up til now I thought it is a positive characteristic of this wikipedia that "we" (some of "those" active here) talk personally to new contributors whereever that is possible. "I" guess that this was the way to get some people on board who have been active or still are. What is your idea instead of talking personally? C) As you mention a delete policy - why don`t you help me with a few examples from our delete-history what you see as unfitting deletes? D) about the ownership thing - you have repeated this and seem to have a strong impression. Well, that is not my view. What shall we do about it? Kipala (majadiliano) 12:30, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

A) More open to people's reasons to contribute. For mature user wikipedia is an encyclopedia, but there are many other ways it is seen. Thats is already the case for various other wiki-languages and (as far as i see it for sw), the average native sw contributor is seeing wikipedia more of an interactive website. If the outlook for wikipedia doesn't reflect this, it will never grow into a community. With interactive I mean to see entries more like e.g. a facebook entry: with links, content, talk pages and so on - but also with more symbolic meanings of page-titles (thats why I proposed removing the bracket from TZ town). B) I dont mean no harm. One think that is crucial for me, is that we need to understand that "we" (the non-native speaker) are guests in sw:wp. As a guest I have to regognize the particular features of the home-owner - as of A) above. Once these basic principles are sorted out, i believe communication would be easier possible anyway - also upfront communication. But i also think that a lot of people find it intimidating. C) The delete policy is just an aspect of the above, i.e. if a commonly shared approach as of A) is in place, delete wouldnt be a problem. It looks like the two examples turned out that M. was in fact a spelling mistake and the author didnt mean to write an article on the person, and W. may have been meant as a redirect, or a page of its own. Generally, I agree: there are plenty of spam entries, that can de deleted immidiately, but in some cases (even if there are titles with spelling mistakes or punctuation mark in it) some new contributors would be very grateful if their entry survives. I correct myself: the critic of the delting-policy is just a critic for points A) and B). --CGN2010 (majadiliano) 13:11, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

As for practical dealing with all this, i have no critic in particular, i just wanted to speak my mind in the face of more, possibly shy or less-assertive new users to come. Even if things arent actually said, they should still be taken into account. --CGN2010 (majadiliano) 14:07, 16 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

OK, I try to answer. A) Thank you for reminding that it is important to be open for the new user who tries to make a contribution. I think here at sw we try to do that, but getting bigger makes that more difficult. We should not react too much in routine to new and imperfect contributions but remain open.

Wikipedia is here to be an encyclopedia, also for inexperienced users. My reason to write here ist that Kiswahili needs and deserves an encyclopedia and I see this one as the only real chance. Sort of Interactive we are. ( I cannot open facebook where I live). As an encyclopedia we need to go for quality and have to care for standards - that we also have to continue to discuss.

B) I feel absolutely at home in this sw-wiki (at en-wiki and also de-wiki I am more of a guest). "Native speaker" may not exactly be what you had in you mind, I guess.

C) on deleting or warning tags I agree to your caveat in principle; but still the best time to put a marker is when it is visible as a new entry, otherwise it disappears and stays. In a number of cultural entries there will always be space for debate what is appropriate or not; but in cases like mbegha (as it was) I see no question - just compare to the existing mbega. This is rather what Kiswahili deserves. Kipala (majadiliano) 15:39, 18 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

First, I haven’t mentioned the ownership before, so maybe you have heard it from other users too. New contributors should not just be tolerated but encouraged. Yes, if you have a good day, you may let loose from your routine, but that’s not the point.
What’s the apparent quality of articles worth, if there is no community to develop it? User will mature, and if there are user, so will the wikipedia content. I think we all can see why everyone is here, I am not sure if you understood what I meant with “interactive”. Facebook is just an example for an online community that has a different kind of interaction. Of course, wikipedias content would allow for a lot more than (for example) Facebook.
If you have critic for the en:Mbegha, please be more specific and please tell so on en. It’s a stub and its mainly from two highly regarded secondary sources, which are also listed and accessible online. As you have chosen a title with brackets, and since you haven’t responded to my previous questions (above) regarding those brackets, I want to leave a few comments:
For comparison, en:Wikipedia:Article titles recommends article titles to be 1) Recognizable, 2) Natural, 3) Precise, 4) Concise and 5) Consistent. As of point 2, the English Wikipedia is mostly avoiding brackets, while I know the German wikipedia to use brackets in excess (mainly argued for point 3). Now, sw:wp has a lot of those brackets – proportionally many more than on other wiki-languages. The first thing I thought of were inexperienced user, getting stuck with such page titles (we all know the countless articles, loaded with wrongly set round and square brackets). The next thing is the question “natural versus precise” and how Tanzanians and Kenyans would choose? I know people, finding those hidden links artificial (leading you to a page that is pretending to be something else). And the last thing is missing consistency. For towns there are forms like Mji wa…, …(mji), …, Country, … (Country), and so on. All in all reminds me of a cryptic word salad, only findable via two or three links and only linkable for experienced user. You need to be really encyclopedic to enjoy working within that.
I won’t continue contributing. I had fun working on here for those weeks, but not anymore. Its sad that despite me asking for feedback weeks ago (above), all I get is behind-the-back blackmailing (also above and various talk pages). I hope for sw to get a change. Good luck --CGN2010 (majadiliano) 00:04, 19 Septemba 2010 (UTC)


Salam mzee Kipala,

Sijaona swali lako. Pia sijaona hata kwenye mail ya Yahoo. Labda utume tena! Ujumbe pia nimeutuma kupitia barua pepe yako!--MwanaharakatiLonga 15:32, 20 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

Nimeliona!--MwanaharakatiLonga 16:15, 20 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

Uchini = Nchini

I made all the necessary changes. I wear contact lenses and I don't always see things close up. Thank you for catching that! Jhendin (majadiliano) 13:09, 28 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

Kupiga kura

Salaam, mzee Kipala. Hamna shida. Tunatafuta urahisi wa mambo na si kukwaza mambo! Haya, tuendelee.--MwanaharakatiLonga 07:03, 30 Septemba 2010 (UTC)

Departments of Gabon

Salam, Kipala. Ninashida ya kujua maana ya Departments kwa Kiswahili. Sijui katika mtindo wa ngazi za utawala wa nchi hiyo department umaanisha nini. Je, una la kushauri angalau niamke na mimi kutoka katika usingizi mzito? Wako, Muddyb au,--MwanaharakatiLonga 08:49, 6 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)

Naona hapa ni kama wilaya nikitazama ; kile wanachoita "province" si jimbo bali mkoa, 08:58, 6 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)
Kwa hiyo niite "Wilaya za Gabon"?--MwanaharakatiLonga 09:07, 6 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)
Sijui ama kutumia lugha "Departments za Gabon" (redirect kwa Wilaya za Gabon) au kinyume. Unaweza kuwauliza hao waliopanga vitengo hivi kwa vingi kama Akaunti? Kipala (majadiliano) 10:19, 6 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)
Wao waliita kama ilivyo. Departments za... Hawakuwa tohoa maana kamili kwa Kiswahili. Hasa kwa hizi nchi ambazo zinaongea Kifaransa. Bahati nzuri, Flowerpaty anajua Kifaransa - hivyo wakaamua vile wapendavyo kwa mtiririko wa Kifaransa kwenda Kiingereza halafu Kiswahili! Ilikuwa kazi! Basi nitaita departments za Gabon!--MwanaharakatiLonga 11:26, 6 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)
Ukiziorodhesha katika makala ya pekee kama ile ya unaweza kueleza ya kwamba ni kama wilaya. Ila tu naona ni sawa kuziita Kifar. "departement" badala ya Kiing. "department". Tena ina faida fulani kutumia majina ya kienyeji kila mahali maana kunatokea ya kwamba katika nchi 1 "vilayet" ni tofauti kuliko "Wilaya" katika nchi A na "Wilaya" katika nchi B yaani madaraka na nagzi ya utawala zinatofautiana. Kipala (majadiliano) 13:32, 6 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)

Do-27 Bild

Hi Kipala, Ich war nicht schlecht überrascht, eine Antwort auf Deutsch zu bekommen. Da ich kein Swahiki kann, würde ich mich über eine Zusammenarbeit freuen. Google-tranlate is halt nicht optimal. Die Bezeichnung Ndege für die Maschine von Bernhard und Michael Grzimek viel in dem Film Serengeti darf nicht sterben (engl.: Serengeti shall not die). Vielleicht kannst Du das ja in den Artikel einarbeiten. Vielen Dank und Grüße aus dem herbstlichen Berlin! Jörg, der BajanZindy (majadiliano) 19:44, 7 Oktoba 2010 (UTC)

Kigezo:Infobox disease‎

Salam, mzee Kipala! Umeona kwamba nimeanzisha hicho kigezo kwa mujibu wa maombi yako kule kwa Akaunti. Nimeona ninaweza kuingiza nyaraka zile na sasa ni kwazi kwako Kuswahilisha! Ukiona shida sana namna kilivyojipanga, tafadhali nijulishe na tutasaidiana katika hili. Wako, Muddyb, au--MwanaharakatiLonga 07:02, 9 Novemba 2010 (UTC)

Salam, mzee Kipala. Je, umetokea kukiona kigezo cha Karibu-en?--MwanaharakatiLonga 12:17, 6 Desemba 2010 (UTC)
Asante. Kigezo hiki ni kizuri ila tu mimi napendelea kuwa na kigezo kimoja cha kariibu - kwa Kiswahili na menginevyo mistari miwili kwa Kiingereza kwa wale wasioelewa kitu. Kwanza ni kazi ya nyongeza kuwatofautisha; kama mtu anajiandikisha nataka kumpa ile Karibu haraka lakini nijuaje kama anajua Kiswahili au la? Kutokana na jina tu? Tena nadhani maelezo mengi labda hatamsaidia maana asipojua Kiswahili si nyumbani kwke hapa. Wengi wanakuja tu kama bots au kwa sababu zao. Wachache wanajiamini kutunga makala za mbegu hata bila kujua lugha na hapa naona afadhali waambiwe kuwasiliana na mkabidhi mapema. Mimi ningeacha lugha hii moja, pamoja na Kiingereza kidogo na labda maneno 2 kwa bots. Kipala (majadiliano) 15:09, 6 Desemba 2010 (UTC)
Si wazo - wala mtazamo mbaya kwa hilo. Ninaunga mkono kwa asilimia 100.--MwanaharakatiLonga 16:23, 6 Desemba 2010 (UTC)