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Editing News #1—2018

20:56, 2 Machi 2018 (UTC)

Galicia 15 - 15 Challenge

 

Wikipedia:Galicia 15 - 15 Challenge is a public writing competition which will improve improve and translate this list of 15 really important articles into as many languages as possible. Everybody can help in any language to collaborate on writing and/or translating articles related to Galicia. To participate you just need to sign up here. Thank you very much.--Breogan2008 (majadiliano) 14:37, 12 Machi 2018 (UTC)

40,000

Kwa neema ya Mwenyezi Mungu tumefikia kiwango hicho. Naomba mafundi wetu bora wabandike lebo ya dhahabu. Amani kwenu na tusonge mbele! --Riccardo Riccioni (majadiliano) 07:57, 17 Machi 2018 (UTC)

Hongera, Padre Riccardo! Sina ujuzi kuhuzu lebo ya dhahabu, lakini nimeandika kuhusu hatua hiyo ukurasani mwa Matukio ya hivi karibuni. Sherehe na furaha na fahari! --Baba Tabita (majadiliano) 09:58, 17 Machi 2018 (UTC)
Nafurahi sana! Hongera Riccardo, pole na kupanda milima mingi. Kipala (majadiliano) 14:19, 17 Machi 2018 (UTC)

Time to bring embedded maps (‘mapframe’) to most Wikipedias

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AdvancedSearch

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44,000 !!

Kumbe leo hii Riccardo ametufikisha kwa makala 44,000 !! Asante na hongera Ndugu! Kipala (majadiliano) 12:43, 30 Julai 2018 (UTC)

New user group for editing sitewide CSS / JS

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CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 21:28, 6 Agosti 2018 (UTC)

Tanzanian week in Ukrainian wiki

Hi everyone! Sorry for writing here in English. My name is Vasyl and I am an editor of ukrainian wikipedia. We're going to spend at least two weeks writing articles about Tanzania (August 13-26). If you know that some article might be interesting or important to know for ukrainian readers - leave your suggestions here. We'll be thankfull for that.

Would be greate if your suggestion have english or russian version. If you want - you can write some articles about Ukraine - we had such type of cooperation with estonian, macedonian, armenian, yakut, urdu and bellorussian wiki.

With best regards! Шиманський Василь (majadiliano) 06:22, 7 Agosti 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for being interested in our country. Of course, there are a lot of articles both in Swahili and English Wikipedia. We propose to use them, starting with our geography (so special: islands, mountains, lakes, rivers, parks etc.) and history (archaeology, struggles against colonialism, Julius Nyerere and other political personality) without forgetting our biological diversity (human tribes, animals, vegetation etc.). I think you will enjoy in knowing more about us. May the Lord give you his peace! --Riccardo Riccioni (majadiliano) 06:33, 7 Agosti 2018 (UTC)
Hi! Tanzanian week ended two weeks ago, so we have some good results) 188 articles was created and 5 - improved. With best regards! Шиманський Василь (majadiliano) 09:10, 17 Septemba 2018 (UTC)
Very well. Peace to your country and to the whole world! --Riccardo Riccioni (majadiliano) 14:09, 19 Septemba 2018 (UTC)

Warsha kuhusu makala zetu za astronomia kwenye Septemba 2018

Salaam tuna mradi wa pekee katika wikipedia yetu ya Kiswahili. Chuo Kikuu cha Dar es Salaam (Taasisi ya Taaluma ya Kiswahili) kilituoma tuandae muswada ya kamusi ya astronomia ambayo wanataka kuchapisha kama kitabu. Hadi sasa makala zetu ni mkusanyo wa pekee wa matini kuhusu astronomia kwa Kiswahili. Makala hizi ambazo ni takriban 300 zitafanya matini ya kamusi inayolengwa. Nimepeleka pendekezo kwa MetaWiki kutupatia pesa ili tuweze kufanya warsha ya uhariri. Warsha hii itaunganisha wanawikipedia na wanachama wa ASSAT (Astronomy and Space Science Association of Tanzania) wanaopitia sasa makala hizi. Warsha inalenga kujadili masahihisho na mapendekzo, kuingiza mabadiliko haya katika wikipedia na kuandaa muswada kwa ajili ya chuo.

Nitafurahi kama wanawikipedia wanaaangalia na kuunga mkono pendekezo lifuatalo: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Swwiki_workshop_astronomia#Project_Goal. Kunasehemu ambako unaweza kubofya "endorse". Kipala (majadiliano) 07:21, 8 Agosti 2018 (UTC)

Editing of sitewide CSS/JS is only possible for interface administrators from now

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Hi all,

as announced previously, permission handling for CSS/JS pages has changed: only members of the interface-admin (Interface administrators) group, and a few highly privileged global groups such as stewards, can edit CSS/JS pages that they do not own (that is, any page ending with .css or .js that is either in the MediaWiki: namespace or is another user's user subpage). This is done to improve the security of readers and editors of Wikimedia projects. More information is available at Creation of separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS. If you encounter any unexpected problems, please contact me or file a bug.

Thanks!
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Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October

13:33, 6 Septemba 2018 (UTC)

Kigezo:Kimdomo

Nimeanzisha kigezo / template ya {{Kimdomo}} (tazama chini) kama jaribio naomba tuangalie na kushauriana. Tumevumilia habari zisizo na ushuhuda pale zinapoingizwa katika makala za kata au pia makabila ambako tunapata mara nyingi habari za kusimulizi na kuwa na vyanzo kamili inaweza kuwa vigumu. Habari hizi kwa mfano kijiji fulani kilianzishwa na mzee XYZ kutoka ukoo wa ABC zinaweza kuwa sehemu ya historia ya kimdomo isiyoandikwa bado. Kwa hiyo tuliamua kuvumilia habari hizi. Tunapaswa kuzifuta kama watu wanatukanwa au tunapoona ya kwamba kumbukumbu ya mahali inapingana na vyanzo halisi (wakati mwingine labda kubadilisha kwa kuongeza: historia yenye ushuhuda ni hivi, lakini kuna pia masimulizi ya kimdomo yanayosema...). Naomba mawazo kuhusu namna hii ya kusimamia wikipedia yetu.

Makala yenye habari za kimdomo bila vyanzo halisi

Makala hii (au sehemu zake) inaonekana kutoa habari za kimdomo kuhusu desturi au utamaduni wa maeneo ya Tanzania. Hailingani na masharti ya kuonyesha vyanzo na ushuhuda wa kimaandishi jinsi ilivyo kawaida katika Wikipedia.

Lakini ilhali habari nyingi katika mazingira yetu hazikuandikwa bado wala kujadiliwa kimaandishi na wataalamu tunaacha habari hizi kwa muda. Tunaomba wasomaji wetu kuwa macho na kutochanganya habari hizi za kisimulizi na habari zenye ushuhuda halisi. Tunaendelea kuangalia michango ya aina hii ambayo haiwezi kukubaliwa jinsi ilivyoletwa kama inapingana na ushuhuda halisi..

Kipala (majadiliano) 15:05, 18 Septemba 2018 (UTC)

Si mbaya. Ndiyo hali halisi, tena si ya Tanzania tu, bali hata Kenya na kwingineko. Hivyo ningeondoa jina la nchi yetu. Amani kwa wote! --Riccardo Riccioni (majadiliano) 07:06, 19 Septemba 2018 (UTC)

Mkabidhi kwa Jadnapac

Naomba kibali cha wenzangu kwa kumpa Mtumiaji:Jadnapac haki za mkabidhi. Amekuwa mwanawikipedia tangu 2017, aliunda kundi la meta:Wikimedia Community User Group Tanzania na kuiongoza. Naona anafaa. Pia namhitaji kwa ajili ya warsha mwisho wa Novemba akiwa na uwezo huu wa admin. Kipala (majadiliano) 09:38, 30 Oktoba 2018 (UTC)

Unga—mkono

Ndugu wakabidhi wote, nawashukuruni sana kwa uteuzi wenu wa kunipa haki ya kuwa mkabidhi katika Wikipedia hii ya Kiswahili.Mmenipa moyo wa kuendelea kujifunza (zaidi kutoka kwenu) juu ya namna ya kuiboresha Wikipedia ya Kiswahili. Nategemea zaidi ushirikiano kutoka kwenu nyote. Asanteni sana. Ndimi wenu, Jadnapac (majadiliano) 15:05, 3 Novemba 2018 (UTC)
Nilichelewa. Lakini naunga mkono kwa dhati uteuzi huu. Hongera sana.--Ndesanjo (majadiliano) 09:20, 6 Novemba 2018 (UTC)

Siungi-mkono

Sipingi—Walasikatai

Azimio

Basi nafunga kura, kuna azimio. Karibu Jadnapac katika idadi ya wakabidhi wa wikipedia hii. Kipala (majadiliano) 18:48, 3 Novemba 2018 (UTC)

Editing News #2—2018

14:17, 2 Novemba 2018 (UTC)

Change coming to how certain templates will appear on the mobile web

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 19:35, 13 Novemba 2018 (UTC)

Community Wishlist Survey vote

18:13, 22 Novemba 2018 (UTC)

Advanced Search

Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 11:03, 26 Novemba 2018 (UTC)

New Wikimedia password policy and requirements

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:03, 6 Desemba 2018 (UTC)

Invitation from Wiki Loves Love 2019

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Love is an important subject for humanity and it is expressed in different cultures and regions in different ways across the world through different gestures, ceremonies, festivals and to document expression of this rich and beautiful emotion, we need your help so we can share and spread the depth of cultures that each region has, the best of how people of that region, celebrate love.

Wiki Loves Love (WLL) is an international photography competition of Wikimedia Commons with the subject love testimonials happening in the month of February.

The primary goal of the competition is to document love testimonials through human cultural diversity such as monuments, ceremonies, snapshot of tender gesture, and miscellaneous objects used as symbol of love; to illustrate articles in the worldwide free encyclopedia Wikipedia, and other Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) projects.

The theme of 2019 iteration is Celebrations, Festivals, Ceremonies and rituals of love.

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To know more about the contest, check out our Commons Page and FAQs

There are several prizes to grab. Hope to see you spreading love this February with Wiki Loves Love!

Kind regards,

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Imagine... the sum of all love!

--MediaWiki message delivery (majadiliano) 10:13, 27 Desemba 2018 (UTC)

FileExporter beta feature

Johanna Strodt (WMDE) 09:41, 14 Januari 2019 (UTC)

No editing for 30 minutes on 17 January

You will not be able to edit the wikis for up to 30 minutes on 17 January 07:00 UTC. This is because of a database problem that has to be fixed immediately. You can still read the wikis. Some wikis are not affected. They don't get this message. You can see which wikis are not affected on this page. Most wikis are affected. The time you can not edit might be shorter than 30 minutes. /Johan (WMF)

18:55, 16 Januari 2019 (UTC)

I have a request/Ich habe eine Bitte. (Swahili Lion Guard lyrics meaning)

Sorry for not writing in Swahili.
Tut mir leid, dass ich nicht auf Suahili schreibe.
What are the meaning of these Swahili lyrics of the intro of The Lion Guard?
Was bedeutet dieser Songtext auf Suahili (das Intro von Die Garde der Löwen)?
Thank you in advance!
Vielen Dank im Voraus!
Na simba kulindana...
Na simba kulindana
Na simba kulindana...
Na simba kulindana
Na simba kulindana...
Na simba kulindana
Na simba kulindana...
Na simba kulindana
Na simba kulindana...
Na simba kulindana
Haya, Na simba kulindana...
Na simba kulindana
Ehee! Na simba kulindana...
Na simba kulindana
Na simba kulindana...
Na simba kulindana...
Ngoma wa kumbe, kumbe
Ngoma ma tuimbe, tuimbe
Ma makumve!
Kweli kweli,
Ma makumve!
Kweli, kweli
Ngoma wa kumbe, kumbe
Ngoma ma tuimbe, tuimbe
Tutazame -zame -zame
Tutazame -zame -zame
Na farana!
Mwonavu hapawase!
Mwonavu hapawase!
Mwonavu hapawase!
Zama, zama, yeh!
Tuwasaidie sisi we!
Tuwasaidie sisi we!
Tuwasaidie sisi we!
Zama, zama, yeh!
Ngoma wa kumbe, kumbe, le kumbe
Ma kumbe, kumbe, simba
Tutawese kumbe, hey!
Lekumbe kumbe lekumbe!
Ngoma ma tuimbe, tuimbe, ma tuimbe
Ngoma ma tuimbe, tuimbe, simba
Tutawese kumbe, hey!
Kweli simba, simba!
Ngoma wa kumbe, kumbe
Ngoma ma tuimbe, tuimbe
Ma makumve!
Kweli kweli, Ma makumve!
Kweli, kweli
Ngoma wa kumbe, kumbe (ngosama na!)
Ngoma ma tuimbe, tuimbe (nzama na!)
Ma makumve! (kumbe le kweli le, kumbe kumbe, zuka zama)
Kweli kweli, Ma makumve!
Kweli, kweli Ngoma wa kumbe, kumbe (kumbe le!)
Ngoma ma tuimbe, tuimbe (Tuwasaidie sisi we)
Tutazame -zame -zame (Askari wa Simba! na-)
Tutazame -zame -zame
Na farana!
Bayahiki dana!
Bayahiki dana!
Weka vele njama Na simba kulindana!
Tutsiyama njama
Sonya wana mbandi bayahiki dana awasethu simba lesethu, bana le sethu!
Itsi lathu Ingonyama sonya wana mbandi bayahiki dana awa simba ma tutawa saidia
Wanyama, ote wanyama!
Tutawese farana simba Tutawese farana simba Tutawese kwene, Lethu wese, Ingonyama!
Tutawese farana simba Tutawese farana simba Tutawese kwene, 'gonyama, Ingonyama!
Bayahiki dana! Bayahiki dana! Weka vele njama Na simba kulindana!
Youtube-video

Suidpunt (majadiliano) 08:04, 6 Februari 2019 (UTC)

Talk to us about talking

Trizek (WMF) 15:01, 21 Februari 2019 (UTC)

Rollbacker

Naomba kuwa rollbacker wa Swahili Wikipedia kwa sababu ya makosa makosa yanayofanywa na watumiaji na saa zingine, wakabidhi hawazioni. Nilikuwa mkabidhi wa SW Wiktionary na mimi ni rollbacker wa Simple Wiki. Asante --RazorTheDJ (majadiliano) 15:35, 3 Machi 2019 (UTC)

New Wikipedia Library Accounts Available Now (March 2019)

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Wikimedia Foundation Medium-Term Plan feedback request

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The Wikimedia Foundation has published a Medium-Term Plan proposal covering the next 3–5 years. We want your feedback! Please leave all comments and questions, in any language, on the talk page, by April 20. Asante! Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 17:35, 12 Aprili 2019 (UTC)

Mradi wa picha za kata

Kipala ameomba WMF wasaidie mradi wa kupata picha za kata. Unaweza kuidhinisha hapa: meta:Grants:Project/Rapid/Kata_-_Wards_of_Tanzania_Photo_competition kwa kuongeza sahihi yako ~~~~ chini kabisa kwenye "endorsements" Kipala (majadiliano) 09:26, 6 Mei 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata Bridge: edit Wikidata’s data from Wikipedia infoboxes

Few pages needs to be cleaned up after maintenance

Sorry for writing in English.

Hello, after recent maintenace that was done on your wiki, a few of pages that were previously inaccessible are accessible again. Some of those pages couldn't be fixed, because their name was taken by another page. For that reason, I've moved those pages to start with T173070. I'd like ask you to review those pages, move them to correct title or delete them, if they are no longer needed. You can find the list of pages that needs maintenance in the output of the maintenance script. If you need any help with this, please feel free to contact me. Best regards, --Martin Urbanec (talk) 21:15, 27 Juni 2019 (UTC)

Mimi sielewi kitu. Labda Kipala au Muddyb. Kazi njema! --Riccardo Riccioni (majadiliano) 07:07, 28 Juni 2019 (UTC)
karibu, ninafikiri yeye anasema Majadiliano_ya_Wikipedia:T173070Jamii anahitaji kuunganisha na Majadiliano_ya_Wikipedia:Jamii. nilifanya hii, asante. --Habst (majadiliano) 22:24, 17 Julai 2019 (UTC)

Masahihisho ya Praxidicae na swali la matumizi ya tovuti zisizokubaliwa pale enwiki

Mtumiaji:Praxidicae amehariri makala nyingi tarehe 1 na 2 Julai, mara nyingi kufuta marejeo alizotaja wakati mwingine kama "spam". Nilitafakari kurudisha mabadiliko yake yote lakini naomba tujadiliane kwanza. Hajui Kiswahili, anaangalia tovuti zisizokubaliwa kwenye enwiki na kufuta marejeo , wakati mwingine pamoja na sehemu ya matini. Inawezekana sehemu zilikuwa kweli marejeo ya takataka, lakini mengine kwa mfano kama sehemu ya makala zinazopatikana kwenye blogspot (inayokataliwa enwiki) tumekubali hapa maana hatuna chaguo kubwa kwa Kiswahili. Mfano Jinekomastia, sijachunguia bado zote. Sipenda mtindo wake, lakini napenda kusikia wengine wanasemaje. Nilimwandikia na kumwomba asiendelee sasa. Kipala (majadiliano) 18:17, 2 Julai 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I don't read Swahili but it concerns me that you are defending the use of spam links in your articles. Are you aware that a significant portion of Internet spam relates to products that enhance sexual performance? [5][6] --Rschen7754 19:09, 2 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Hi, @Kipala:, I saw the discussion on meta, so I thought it’d be good to comment here. I know that Praxidicae can move fast sometimes, but this is because these links are a major problem across Wikimedia projects. She’s trying to be helpful, and is highly respected for this type of work in the global community. I know you mean well as well, but I think if a global sysop is reverting, it’s best to ask them why they’re doing it rather than tell them to stop. They typically have experience dealing with this sort of stuff, and do it for a reason. Thanks for all the work you’ve done on sw.wiki :) TonyBallioni (majadiliano) 19:26, 2 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Hi Tony, hi Rschen7754. Thanks for chipping in. Just to be clear: Yes, can you imagine that after many years on the internet I might be aware that sexual content is a large percentage of the bullsh.. floating around? Why don't you take the time to read the discussion which Praxidicae removed from her sw talk page so you notice that I did not raise the topic of defending the use of spam links? Just try to imagine that after quite a few years building swwiki from a tiny site to the most read African language wikipedia I may have encountered a bit of spam (and threw it out?).
I asked her to wait and stop for a while until we discuss it in the community. We have had much help from "outsiders" (Swahili illiterates) over time and appreciate it, especially as far as spam is concerned. My request (please read again what it is about) is a reaction to her more than 30 edits in 2 days. I did not have time to check all of these (we are a very small team) and one of the first I saw was removal of a sensible blogspot reference. I know it is mostly not accepted on enwiki but we do accept on case by case basis. Surekly she also hit a number which are better removed.
The world of an small African language wikipedia is sometimes a bit different from the world of enwiki or dewiki (the 2 where I have edited, too). Our main challenge is to build up a community and nurturing new editors. Which means sometimes tolerating content which would be difficult to maintain at enwiki. So unless there is straight pornography or straight advertisement we first talk to editors before we throw out their stuff. (I know it looks like luxury from enwiki pov, but thats our nettiquette, and I would expect even a galactic sysop to show some respect). And this does not go with a style of coming in and doing 30 reverts (maybe mostly "correct") in 2 days without a word. I did not criticise or attack Praxidicae for what she did, as she never talked to us nor we to her before, so she may not understand, I just asked her to pause a bit. Is this understandable? Kipala (majadiliano) 20:48, 2 Julai 2019 (UTC)
This is a blatant misrepresentation of what happened. First, I removed spam links, several of them in fact, you are correct about that. I communicated with you when asked. However am I understanding correctly that you wanted me to talk to the editor who added them first? They are globally locked and maliciously spamming content, so even if I had asked them about it - they cannot respond as they are locked. Second, you state that you want to encourage people to help out here and yet as soon as I did help, due simply to the fact that I manually corrected more than a dozen (I didn't revert most of them, that was just a handful) blatantly spammy and scammy links, you demanded I stop editing. That makes no sense. The fact that his is a small project and in another language isn't really relevant. Spam is spam and it damages all projects. Your assumption that my edits are incorrect just on the basis that I do not speak Swahili is discouraging and ultimately wrong. If you look at most of them, the content I removed again, is spam and even the actual edit on this project are in english. Perhaps I did screw up some of the syntax of the language but that can be fixed. Mass addition of scam/spam links should require immediate removal. Is your concern I've somehow damaged the project? If so, could you explain why my edits concern you specifically pertaining to policies locally and globally? Thanks. Praxidicae (majadiliano) 21:00, 2 Julai 2019 (UTC)
You also keep bringing up enwiki but fail to look at my global contributions. I'm not just an enwiki editor despite my native language being English. Your insistence that spam or scam links might or should be tolerated here is inherently incompatible with Wikimedia's terms of use. I don't know if that was your intent to say but if you could clarify that, it would be appreciated. I'd also like to continue with the removal as there are still many remaining scam links here.
Dear Praxidicae, you sound as if you feel insulted. I am sorry for that. If I was impolite I gladly apologize. My request was in response to the 29 removal edits you did in 2 days. Kindly help us to understand it.
I advised you that we do try to talk to editors who make mistakes and expects other to keep up this nettiquette. (unless we see cases of pornography, advertising, copy-paste). Do I understand correctly that you think this is not advisable nor doable because “They are globally locked and maliciously spamming content”. Even if I look horribly uneducated I ask you who is “They”? Kindly name the globally locked accounts whch you found active on our pages, it will help us to recognize them soon.
I understood further that you talk about “Mass addition of scam/spam links”. Which of the edits you threw out referred to these?
I see that you threw out a number of edits of user:Jimmymwandishi. Is that a global malicious spammer ? Is he blocked globally but still active here at sw? From his style of editing content he does not look like any of the spam attacks I have seen (although his contributions are weak).
I did not have time yet to go thru all your edits (yesterday night internet here was lost, today I have littletime after a long day). I wrote to you yesterdy after seeing you removed content from some pages which had just been patrolled by one of our esteemed team members, and could not see that you had contacted him, and saw the removal of the sentence (NO LINK!) "Jina estrojeni pia linaweza kutumika kwa kitu chochote ambacho chaiga homoni hii ya estrojeni kama vile dawa ambazo hupewa wanawake ili wawe na ashiki ya ngono. " in the article "Estrojeni". What made you think this was malicious spam? I also saw you removed a part of text (one internal link to enwiki) in the article karanga (removing the correct sentence Jina la Kibiolojia la njugu ni Arachis hypogaea'' and giving as reason "rv-spam") . What made you think this is malicious spam as per your argument? And: I do not believe it helps anything dropping abbreviations which nobody understands. Kipala (majadiliano) 21:59, 3 Julai 2019 (UTC)


Praxidicae (majadiliano) 21:03, 2 Julai 2019 (UTC)

Your position on spam and promotional material is concerning - as has been mentioned, (undisclosed) paid editing is against the Wikimedia Terms of Use. For what it is worth, I have served as a steward and while spam was not an area I focused on, I am familiar with how small wikis work (and quite frankly, the problems that come up when small wikis act like a walled garden and are hostile to outsiders). --Rschen7754 00:43, 3 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Dear Rschen, you might be helpful if you can show what you mean by claiming a) that I “defend the use of spam links” and “(undisclosed) paid editing”. Which edits do you refer to? If you have anything to show that we at swwiki “act like a walled garden and are hostile to outsiders”, please do!. We are very happy to learn. Kipala (majadiliano) 21:59, 3 Julai 2019 (UTC)
You are literally questing every single edit Praxidicae makes, and quite frankly treating her worse than the spammers. Please reconsider. --Rschen7754 01:10, 4 Julai 2019 (UTC)
I note that I do not see much fact in your answer compared to the language you chose to use. Thanks for the advice! Kipala (majadiliano) 06:13, 4 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Hi Kipala, I understand where you are coming from, because we also frequently have this confusion on large projects regarding linkspaming, especially with cross-wiki spammers. Unfortunately, administrators on many projects, large and small, are not aware of the danger that some of these links and how they can seriously undermine the image of Wikimedia projects as well as the computer security of our readers. There are only a few users who are really good with dealing with this type of work globally, and Praxidicae is one of them.

That being said, I understand your concerns about growing your community, but the unfortunate reality is that these accounts were never going to be a part of your community: a steward was guaranteed to lock them when they were made aware that the accounts existed, and Praxidicae was doing her best to help here, in an area that she specializes in from a global standpoint, both on small wikis and large ones. Thank you for listening to me even though I'm not an active editor here, and again, thank you for your work on this project. TonyBallioni (majadiliano) 00:56, 3 Julai 2019 (UTC)

Tony, I appreciate your kind remarks. You asked me to understand that “these accounts” have to be acted against. Which are “these accounts” you refer to as being handled by Praxidicae’s edits? Kipala (majadiliano) 21:59, 3 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Hi Kipala, Jimmwandishi and Mwangi2017 were the two accounts she was dealing with most recently, and they are both currently globally locked by stewards. TonyBallioni (majadiliano) 04:21, 4 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Tony, thanks for this reply which is the first in this discussion that helps me to understand more. I notice that the blocks were done after Praxidicae’s removal activity, not before (18:02, 2 July 2019). So I am not sure why she informed me they had to be done because the accounts were blocked. When I try to look into the present rules for global sysops, I see they are a kind of super-steward. So can I assume that the description for stewards applies to them? For stewards I read they are there to assist local communities. As you can see we have some active admins at swwiki (not the formal 10) I do expect that there should be at last an attempt for communication before a (in our scale) massive intervention. I tried to talk to Praxidicae last year but she never reacted then. She has been on and off dring the last year (and was never inhibited, that much for some complaints above). In general we are very open to outside assistance; we are qute busy removing spam and malicious edits (I am a happy blocker, probably anywhere in the 3 digits on our small wiki).
In this case it would have been a good practise in my view if one sees a problem in edits of a user, to talk to the admin who has been communicating with this account. In both examples of user:Jimmwandishi and user:Mwangi2017 this was the case. Something like "Hey I see that NN looks to me loke a spammer, is using xxx. Are you aware, can I be of help?". I do not know how they define "Mass addition of scam/spam" but I cannot see this situation with 2 (still weak) contributors who have done some 80 edits each in 2 years (is that mass?). They are weak but tried to contribute sensibly, and I have not seen a pattern of promoting any specific content in their links. They look like typically getting anything from google search related to a topic and putting it in as a source.
Now this action has removed a number of unworthy (and not malign) references, but also left behind a number of mutilated articles (which, if not done by someone with the designation steward, I would consider as something similar to vandalism). Which we could have done in a better way if there had been communication before. Any barnstars to be given? (and by the way, i tell our newbies in traing sessions that they should not worry too much if their edits are reverted or thrown out, because the people checking edits on large projects are wading thru heaps of shit and nonsense every hour and thus may become understandably a bit tired and rash in decisions... I would attribute the removal of some innocent text parts which I quoted above to such circumstance) Kipala (majadiliano) 08:10, 4 Julai 2019 (UTC)
I understand the block for Jimmwandishi, for I deleted many spam-like links by him, but non that of Mwangi2017, a simple and good contributor in different kinds of pages who is desiderous of learning from us how do better. Please, let you revert the block. Peace to you all! --Riccardo Riccioni (majadiliano) 10:37, 4 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Hi Riccardo Riccioni and Kipala, Praxidicae was removing these before the global lock because she had already requested a lock. The only thing that needed to happen was a steward to come around and lock, and this was all but guaranteed to be done: both accounts were link spammers and Mwangi2017 had already been blocked on en.wiki for sockpuppetry and spamming by @Yunshui:, another CheckUser and sysop on that project.

As I said, I get that this type of thing isn't widely understood: linkspamming is difficult to spot and we have sysops on all projects who aren't familiar with it. At the same time, these removals were solidly good because the links were promotional and some may in fact have been malicious (I refuse to visit them once it becomes clear they are not trustworthy URLs).

As for the good content: this is a common technique link spammers user: they add content that looks appropriate while their real goal is to include advertising links or even malicious links in articles. They're normally just deleted or completely reverted because it is too difficult to figure out what is true, what isn't, and what is just fluff meant to hide bad links. Praxidicae was acting within normal standards for dealing with cross-wiki linkspamming, which is why I think you're attracting attention of people like Rschen7754 and myself who are active on meta and familiar with how spam is dealt with globally. Anyway, again, thank you both for listening, because I know it is annoying to have someone from another project come and explain things, but I'm just trying to clarify why Praxidicae did what she did, and explain that it was in fact within global norms of behaviour. TonyBallioni (majadiliano) 18:25, 4 Julai 2019 (UTC)

Hi Tony, Thank you for your effort but I have to state that I do not agree with some parts of your explanation and I do not think that this a realistic view of these 2 cases.

Mwangi 2017 was blocked on enwiki (for what reasons soever) back in 2017 which is not my business. He has been present low-level on swwiki, edited, took advice and communicated with the guidance we gave him, and improved. That is an important aim we work for in our environment. There is not the slightest hint of malicious editing (if you see please show!), and surely no logic in assuming a malicious spammer stumbles over 2 years trying to edit honorable content with few edits in order to create an image of good-will. We block and throw out all the time malicious contributors (I did 3 permant blocks today - and we are usually very happy with the support we have from global level). I have not seen any argument in his case alleging bad intent. I can count and the numbers give no argument whatsoever for "Mass addition of scam/spam" which Praxidicae alleged. Mwangi 2017 is quite typical for a number of people we have here.

I save my breath about Jimmwandishi because my colleague considers him a pain in the ass, although even here there is no hint whatsoever of malicious editing.

I have no reason to doubt Praxidicae generally does a good and commendable job. But this action and the blown up debate was definitively not good practice. I have no taste to get into "global" debates but if it is considered "normal" to be upset about a request to communicate with a local active community before taking action, something is wrong with the attitude at that level. I cannot imagine this is agreed policy. As said before, I am personally thankful for global interventions (saw a few today!) but this was not a good practice. And we want Mwangi 2017 back, plus without strange abbreviations instead of understandable communication. Please help us to know the procedure.Kipala (majadiliano) 19:33, 4 Julai 2019 (UTC)

Wapendwa naona wakiulizwa kuleta mifano wanasita, tuone kama ukimya unaendelea. Namwelewa Riccardo anataka Mwangi2017 arudishwe. Kwa hiyo je tupinge azimio pale Meta? Kuhusu Jimmwandishi kimsingi jambo si tofauti sana ingawa alikuwa mgumu kiasi. Tumwache alivyo? Kipala (majadiliano) 08:01, 5 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Nimeangalia kazi nyingi za Mwangi2017, jamaa huyu sioni kabisa kwanini azuiwe. Tena nilipoona kua Mkenya anafanya hariri na kuandika makala vizuri kama yeye ninifurahi sana kuona Wikipedia yetu kuwa na mhariri toka Kenya na ana Kiswahili kizuri. Je utaratibu wa kurudishwa ni upi? Hata mimi naunga mkono arudishwe.
Kesi ya "Mwangi2017" nimeikuta Meta: hapa—shida moja tu, mjadala wake umefungwa. Labda uuanzishe upya? Huyu mama kamshikilia kweli huyo jamaa.--'Muddyb Mwanaharakati' 'Longa' 12:09, 5 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Mwangi is also a spammer. They are confirmed by a checkuser to Anjakretfep who is also spamming links cross-wiki but not only that, both were blocked elsewhere for terms of use violations which are not specific to anyone project, but all of them. Praxidicae (majadiliano) 12:30, 5 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Kipala I'd also like to clarify that the fact that I am a global sysop is irrelevant to this discussion as nothing prevents any editor in good standing from editing where they please. I took no action here that could be even remotely construed as being done under the tools of a global sysop. I'd also like to add that these edits by Jimmiwandishi are not the edits of a good faith contributor, but someone who is spamming and that's just the first 30+ edits - I haven't gone through the rest as of yet, but I wanted to lay it out in clear terms for anyone who is confused as to why this is so blatantly a promo only account. There are a few scattered edits (less than 10) in which they add no links or valid links mixed with blatant scam/spam sites. Praxidicae (majadiliano) 13:09, 5 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for showing examples, that does help. I now had time to go through the first 5 of your list. Wallah bin Wallah is definitively a person deserving an article (which the author did relatively solidly in not too good Swahili). So do you refer to the literature links like "Zawadi ya Sanda" which are disguised invites to http://freelancinghackers.com ? Yes, I have to accept, that is a very valid argument. Did you refer to these?Kipala (majadiliano) 13:42, 5 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Kipala Can you please clarify your question? Those are not the only links I'm referring to and especially in the case of Mwangi, who repeatedly links this blatant spam and scam site that has no encyclopedic relevance anywhere. These are simply not good faith contributions, whether misguided or not, these put readers at great risk. Kipala, I'm also quite concerned about your earlier statements that you know some of the websites are spam but have no choice because there aren't better sources in Swahili, but this doesn't make sense to me as I've demonstrated that more than 90% of those sources I've tried to remove and still need to be removed are in English.Praxidicae (majadiliano) 13:55, 5 Julai 2019 (UTC)


  • I'd also like to note after some research the links to this site are not educational either and interestingly enough, the same urls they are spamming there, are the same ones Jimmiwandishi, Hreflafa, JanetKihumba as well as KunguwaWambui who did so on ki.wikipedia. See links here, which almost entirely overlap with these users.
I too had suspected that Jimmwandishi, Hreflafa and JanetKihumba were one thing. --Riccardo Riccioni (majadiliano) 15:12, 5 Julai 2019 (UTC)
 
Hapa anaonyesha bei ya kuingiza viungo kwetu, basi tuwe macho!
Praxidicae As for your remark about clarifying my question: I reacted to the list you posted upstairs. No let me say that I am grateful for your intervention because we have learned something which had not recognized. Having said this, I imagine this interaction could have proceeded smoother with some communication before. None of us had seen a previuos warning from you to Jimmwandishi (the account edited swwiki only, plus 4x commons) which would have helped to understand the need for action. (Please enlighten me: is this not the usual procedure? That is at least what I remember from here and what we follow except in extrem cases (his hidden links to the "freelancinghackers" I consider as such but you had not yet reached there). Previous communication would have enabled us to recognize the problem, do the removals (with guidance fom you?) and avoid the problem we have now of checking for the mutilated pages left behind by his clumsy way of setting links you removed. Another point for me to ask you to pause for a while was that I saw not only links but also some correct and unlinked text passages removed (see above, I think it does matter to some extent if I understand the language or not.). Then you list some links as "spam" which are definitely not (like nation.co.ke) which made me wonder. Please rest assured that I have great respect for your work. The question of communication remains. Kipala (majadiliano) 11:32, 6 Julai 2019 (UTC)
Thanks to God for the good conclusion of the case. I also have learnt from it. I revised many times the contributions of Jimmwandishi, Hreflafa and JanethKihumba, I guessed also they were the same person, I deleted many of their openly commercial links, I reproached them sometimes and menaced to block them, but I stopped there. When Praxidicae so strongly came in, I appreciated. Let's go on together in peace! --Riccardo Riccioni (majadiliano) 07:34, 7 Julai 2019 (UTC)